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Speeding, test pipes, and morality

Old Jan 21, 2007 | 01:03 PM
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[QUOTE=geists2k,Jan 21 2007, 10:23 AM] My inconsistency?
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Woodson,Jan 21 2007, 03:32 PM
You never speed? Ever?

The "do not remove" tag is still on your mattress isn't it?
Exactly!! I bet he also believes everything the Govt says and does is 200% honest and to protect the safety and welfare of the US Citizens. The US Government would never ever lie, endanger, steal or decieve its precious citizens. The government can do no wrong and anyone who would not bootlick everysingle cop and law is a terrorist my oh myyyy
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 124Spider,Jan 21 2007, 03:24 PM
Ah, so now the last refuge of the scofflaw is to demonize the guy with the nerve to point out the, uh, absurdities of your "position." Keep at it; maybe you'll succeed in convincing yourself that being a scofflaw is fine because 124Spider reserves his speeding for the racetrack and autocross. And his S2000 still **gasp** has a cat.
I like how spider evades the debate at hand and resorts to character assasination in order to gain brownie points for his side of the arguments, would hold up great in a debate based on facts and evidence, he would be very hungry if he was a lawyer.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 124Spider,Jan 21 2007, 02:41 PM
Do you actually doubt it? You go so far as to claim that speeding reduces traffic deaths. Amazing. But I suppose that that goes along with convincing yourself that the law doesn't apply to you.

Try this for starters. You can Google as well as I, and there's an endless supply of such.
So why do cops consiously choose to disobey and break the traffic laws all the time simple because they have a badge, according to the law no one is above the law. So when cops stop speeding, running red lights, tailgating etc.... I will believe they are there to enforce safety and not revenue. And them driving like assholes when there is not an emergency.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Woodson,Jan 21 2007, 12:32 PM

The "do not remove" tag is still on your mattress isn't it?
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 03:03 PM
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Getting pretty desperate, aren't you, Kyusin?

Your "logic" would be amusing if it weren't so tortured. It is a fact that pollution control devices have improved public health. It is a fact that speeders contribute disproportionately to traffic fatalaties. What this has to do with whether the government lies (of course "the government lies;" can you spell "WMD?" Oh, probably not, in your case), and whether or not I believe everything the government has to say, is a mystery.

And it's interesting how, as you and your fellow scofflaws repeatedly attack me in ways not even remotely related to the subject of this thread, you accuse me of "character assasination," presumably (it's dangerous to guess how you come to your "conclusions," since they're so random and pointless, but I'll hazard a guess here) because I used the word "scofflaw." If the shoe fits, friend, wear it. And it fits, of course. Perfectly.

And then you add "cops speed" to the rationalizations for speeding. Good one, fella. I can't wait to see the odd tangents your "logic" drags this thread on next, and what rationalizations you'll trot out next. It'll be hard to beat "cows fart, so I can remove my cat," but I'm sure you're up to the challenge.

Maybe you had better stick to your mindless attacks of me; they're even more amusing than your rationalizations, but at least they deflect from your arrogant contempt for the law.

If you were comfortable with your decisions regarding breaking the law, you wouldn't care what I say. I wonder why you're so defensive?
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 03:22 PM
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I still have my cat and probably always will as I don't see the point to polluting more than necessary for a marginal power advantage.

I speed for the reasons I posted earlier in this thread.

However, I refuse to believe 124spider does not speed. This is not an attack on you spider. But I am legitimately curious as to why you bought an S2000 if you absolutely never exceed the speed limit?

Again, this is not an attack on your character as I do not know you. If I knew you, then I could judge you but I don't.

I really would like to know. The S2000 is not a car that lends itself particularly well to "casual" driving. I find that it's rougher at low speeds than at higher speeds and given it's low torque, not fun at all to short shift it.

Please tell.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by achtung6,Jan 21 2007, 04:22 PM
However, I refuse to believe 124spider does not speed. This is not an attack on you spider. But I am legitimately curious as to why you bought an S2000 if you absolutely never exceed the speed limit?
Believe what you want. I've been driving for over 37 years, and I have never received a speeding ticket. That's pretty good objective evidence that I habitually obey the law.

As to why I would buy an S2000 if I obey the speed limits? It's a pretty shallow view of things that you can only enjoy a car if you break the law. It's legal to make a simple right turn at the speed limit, without braking. And it's fun. It's legal to take an on-ramp at the speed limit. And fun. It's legal to take off from a stop light in a sprightly way. And fun. It's legal to drive with the top down. And fun. It's legal to take the back way where the roads are twisty, and the speed limit is 55, and it's fun. I could go on, but hopefully you get the drift.

OTOH, there's no particular fun or challenge in driving 80 in a 60 zone. Heck, when you're working with a driver coach on the track, you pick the straight, where you may be going 130mph, to talk, because mere speed is no big deal.

I autocross regularly. I track my car regularly. I race (in sanctioned events, on tracks). There is more fun, challenge, excitement and adrenaline rush to be had legally on a race track, and in autocross, than from anything you can do on a public road. And a race track was built for the purpose--no intersections; no farmers pulling out in front of you (ask James Dean--an expert driver--how that feels; wait, you can't ask him, cuz he got himself killed that way); no sand on the road, etc., etc., etc. And everyone else on the track with you signed up for the same risk. There is absolutely no way to have anywhere near the fun, on a public road, as you always have on the track, and it's far, far safer on the track.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Woodson,Jan 21 2007, 02:32 PM
The "do not remove" tag is still on your mattress isn't it?
The Do Not Remove tag only applies to the distribution chain. The end user is legally free to remove it as he/she wishes, unlike a cat!
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 04:15 PM
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[QUOTE=124Spider,Jan 21 2007, 08:01 PM]Believe what you want.
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