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Old Sep 2, 2003 | 06:01 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by quick_lude
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Can you back that up regarding the third brake light?
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Old Sep 2, 2003 | 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by lanbrown
DRL?s should be banned in the US though.

I hate people that drive around with either DRL's or their parking lights on.
DRLs should be banned because you hate them? Why do you hate them? Don't like seeing other cars as well?

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Old Sep 2, 2003 | 07:16 AM
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DRL's take away from the low beam always on that are located on motorcycles. As people see more and more vehicles with DRL's, they tend to get used to them and no longer pay attention to headlights.

If you cannot see other cars, that is why they have headlights, not DRL's. Maybe they should just put sensors in cars to automatically turn on the lights at full voltage when visibility is poor.
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Old Sep 2, 2003 | 07:57 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by lanbrown
[B]If you cannot see other cars, that is why they have headlights, not DRL's.
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Old Sep 2, 2003 | 08:31 AM
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Try the test as people get used to them they will no longer notice them.

Just like if a company puts an ad upside down, you will notice it because it is different then the rest. If all companies put theirs ads upside down, it would no longer be different and it would become common place and your brain would no longer spot them immediately. All the DRL's are doing is temporarily bringing notice to them and thus supposedly making it safer. It is a short-term solution and does not actually fix the problem, which is better training and having people actually turn their lights on when they are needed.
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Old Sep 2, 2003 | 09:14 AM
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God... I'm just glad the US government has not mandated those fuggin' DRLs.

Requiring tougher license requirements would save more lives than any add-on they can slap in a car.
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Old Sep 2, 2003 | 09:29 AM
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lanbrown, sorry but I do not agree with your logic of people getting used to them and not being able to see them. With that logic in mind, can you not see the cars on the road right now, since you are used to them? Do they simply disappear since our brain is used to them. Most definitely not. Your mid brain is responsible for your peripheral vision and reactions to objects in that range. It does not get used to seeing objects move, nor does it dull its perception of the moving objects. It's simply the job of your mid brain to do this task. Adding DRL's makes it easier for your brain to spot the moving object at a greater distance, thus making you aware of it sooner. I'd feel much better on the road if DRL's where mandatory here in the states. There are simply too many irresponsible and unaware drivers on the road.

I do however agree with you that drivers training needs to be revised and actual driving lessons need to be taught in country. I hate seeing people driving with one wrist on the wheel, yes a wrist, it's ridiculous. How do they expect to control there vehicle like that? What's worse is when people do that while yapping on their cellphones. They really need to teach drivers to hold the wheel at 9 and 3 and show them how to turn the wheel and explain the reasoning for holding the wheel that way.
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Old Sep 2, 2003 | 10:01 AM
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If you cant see a car in the daylight with its lights off please do the populous a favor and surrender your license. Saying it makes something moving easier to spot? So would painted all cars day-glo orange or yellow. In my opinion the lights distract the eye from the object itself.

The ONLY time headlights should be on during the day are during rainstorms and funeral processions. The worse is when idiots put their hazzards on during a rain storm instead of headlights, especially on American cars where the brakes and turn signals double up. I could just strangle them.
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Old Sep 2, 2003 | 10:10 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by lanbrown
[B]Try the test as people get used to them they will no longer notice them.

Just like if a company puts an ad upside down, you will notice it because it is different then the rest.
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Old Sep 2, 2003 | 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by lanbrown
Try the test as people get used to them they will no longer notice them.
You're misunderstanding my point. A car with its lights on will be physically more visible than one without -- it may be visible from, say four hundred yards away while one without would only be visible from three hundred yards away.

Sure, people might disregard this extra information, but attentive drivers will benefit from it. In the cases of both daytime running lights and stability control, just because there is a subset of people who are drive poorly enough to offset the safety advantages doesn't mean that the rest of us shouldn't be allowed to benefit from them.

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