well guys, the time has come.
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well guys, the time has come.
SIKE.
but the time has come for me to graduate onto bigger and better things.............an AP2.
my MY02 is just about paid off and at 44k its just starting to show its age. creaks, and rattles(more then normal) and i have always loved the AP2 look. ill live with the F22.
ive heard that the 04's had some minor issues and that an 05 would probably be the best bet. any suggestions for shopping for an AP2? honest opinions on the CDV?
thanks guys. oh and i want to spend around 20k, so if you know of a nice and clean AP2 LMK.
but the time has come for me to graduate onto bigger and better things.............an AP2.
my MY02 is just about paid off and at 44k its just starting to show its age. creaks, and rattles(more then normal) and i have always loved the AP2 look. ill live with the F22.
ive heard that the 04's had some minor issues and that an 05 would probably be the best bet. any suggestions for shopping for an AP2? honest opinions on the CDV?
thanks guys. oh and i want to spend around 20k, so if you know of a nice and clean AP2 LMK.
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The 06's have been dynoing higher than all other years. The CDV is a quick fix if you know how to do it or have a mechanic buddy.
The only other major thing is the VSA. I think the traction control is great for just cruising around/daily driving so you don't have to worry too much about losing the rear. Then when you want to get the tail out you can just turn it off.
The only other major thing is the VSA. I think the traction control is great for just cruising around/daily driving so you don't have to worry too much about losing the rear. Then when you want to get the tail out you can just turn it off.
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Choose an MY05, I figured any kinks of the F22C they would have worked out, and IMO, my right foot is the best Traction/stability control Honda can offer.
As far as the CDV, I've got a pretty good feeling you know how to shift a RWD sports car with a "weak" diff. since you've had your AP1 for a while. I'd remove that sucker as soon as possible. I kept mine in for 5000 miles which I think if anything, caused premature clutch wear.
I drove my AP1 for 32000 miles and I feel my AP2 clutch is more worn because of that valve in less than 25000 miles. Good luck, IMO, you don't miss the 9K rpm.
As far as the CDV, I've got a pretty good feeling you know how to shift a RWD sports car with a "weak" diff. since you've had your AP1 for a while. I'd remove that sucker as soon as possible. I kept mine in for 5000 miles which I think if anything, caused premature clutch wear.
I drove my AP1 for 32000 miles and I feel my AP2 clutch is more worn because of that valve in less than 25000 miles. Good luck, IMO, you don't miss the 9K rpm.
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I know the 04 issues include the top strikers that get replaced under the MY03 TSB, and I've had my right-rear axle retightened under the standing TSB for all S2000s it seems. Other than that, the 04s don't have any issues. The rubber mat around my shifter came unglued, and the felt straps on the sides of the rear window come unglued, but that's all glass tops, 03-present. Other than that, its been a problem-free 27k mi.
As far as the CDV goes, take that with a a grain of salt - imo the pressure plate is not firm enough to grip and thats where slippage occurs. The CDV will allow the clutch system to re-engage faster, but its the PP that needs to lock things up. Removing the CDV can have a little effect, and its relatively easy to remove and replace however. I think the real solution is new PP first, then the cdv. The idea of removing the CDV came about early in the introduction of the AP2 and imo before people realized the PP may be to weak with the heavier flywheel.
Personally, I don't mind the CDV, and I autocross my car. I don't do smokey burnouts or drag race, and for aggressive and GT driving, its honestly not an issue. If your shifting is good, the only time you will notice the CDV/PP slip is on the redline WOT 1-2 shift. AP2s just need to be handled differently than AP1s - kind of like two race horses.
I think the carbon syncros in the gearbox make AP2 shifting nicer than AP1s too, fwiw.
As far as the CDV goes, take that with a a grain of salt - imo the pressure plate is not firm enough to grip and thats where slippage occurs. The CDV will allow the clutch system to re-engage faster, but its the PP that needs to lock things up. Removing the CDV can have a little effect, and its relatively easy to remove and replace however. I think the real solution is new PP first, then the cdv. The idea of removing the CDV came about early in the introduction of the AP2 and imo before people realized the PP may be to weak with the heavier flywheel.
Personally, I don't mind the CDV, and I autocross my car. I don't do smokey burnouts or drag race, and for aggressive and GT driving, its honestly not an issue. If your shifting is good, the only time you will notice the CDV/PP slip is on the redline WOT 1-2 shift. AP2s just need to be handled differently than AP1s - kind of like two race horses.
I think the carbon syncros in the gearbox make AP2 shifting nicer than AP1s too, fwiw.
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Originally Posted by Saki GT,Jul 9 2007, 07:04 PM
I know the 04 issues include the top strikers that get replaced under the MY03 TSB, and I've had my right-rear axle retightened under the standing TSB for all S2000s it seems. Other than that, the 04s don't have any issues. The rubber mat around my shifter came unglued, and the felt straps on the sides of the rear window come unglued, but that's all glass tops, 03-present. Other than that, its been a problem-free 27k mi.
As far as the CDV goes, take that with a a grain of salt - imo the pressure plate is not firm enough to grip and thats where slippage occurs. Removing the CDV can have little effect, but its relatively easy to remove and replace. I think the real solution is new PP first, then the cdv. The idea of removing the CDV came about early in the introduction of the AP2 and imo before people realized the PP may be to weak with the heavier flywheel.
Personally, I don't mind the CDV, and I autocross my car. I don't do smokey burnouts or drag race, but for aggressive and GT driving, its honestly not an issue. AP2s just need to be handled differently than AP1s - kind of like two race horses.
I think the carbon syncros in the gearbox make AP2 shifting nicer than AP1s too, fwiw.
As far as the CDV goes, take that with a a grain of salt - imo the pressure plate is not firm enough to grip and thats where slippage occurs. Removing the CDV can have little effect, but its relatively easy to remove and replace. I think the real solution is new PP first, then the cdv. The idea of removing the CDV came about early in the introduction of the AP2 and imo before people realized the PP may be to weak with the heavier flywheel.
Personally, I don't mind the CDV, and I autocross my car. I don't do smokey burnouts or drag race, but for aggressive and GT driving, its honestly not an issue. AP2s just need to be handled differently than AP1s - kind of like two race horses.
I think the carbon syncros in the gearbox make AP2 shifting nicer than AP1s too, fwiw.
how does the driving expiernce differ between the two? care to elaborate?
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I seriously drove an 03 back to back with my 04 when I was shopping for an S2000, and experienced the differences in an active mindset. After you drive the AP2 for a week and learn the clutch engagement, you'll feel at home. You may want to take the next step and pull the CDV, but I personally wouldn't expect an AP2 to ever feel like an AP1 - they are too different in too many ways.
Both cars are fast and I run even times with AP1s on autocross courses, but when you shift an AP1 you can hammer the shifter into the gates and pop the clutch and get immediate hookup, where the AP2 doesn't like to be rushed. You just shift slower - still fast, but I guess smoother. This is just what I thought, but I consider myself an excellent shifter and realize that shifting style varies depending on car - I think a lot of people try and adapt the car to their shifting style, and get annoyed when the car doesn't respond the way they want.
If you're getting an 04-05, replacing the PP and pulling the CDV shouldn't be much of an issue though.
In the end, I chose the 04 for other reasons than shifting or redline - they are not what makes the car so great or what really differentiates an AP1 from an AP2 imo.
Both cars are fast and I run even times with AP1s on autocross courses, but when you shift an AP1 you can hammer the shifter into the gates and pop the clutch and get immediate hookup, where the AP2 doesn't like to be rushed. You just shift slower - still fast, but I guess smoother. This is just what I thought, but I consider myself an excellent shifter and realize that shifting style varies depending on car - I think a lot of people try and adapt the car to their shifting style, and get annoyed when the car doesn't respond the way they want.
If you're getting an 04-05, replacing the PP and pulling the CDV shouldn't be much of an issue though.
In the end, I chose the 04 for other reasons than shifting or redline - they are not what makes the car so great or what really differentiates an AP1 from an AP2 imo.
