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Its funny how most of you S2000 owners are just as bad as the Evo owners...
"It's a Mitsu" and thats bad?
"Its just a fast straightline econobox"...haha right...
and all the other comments...
Come on guys, you should be the better, more mature owners, both cars have great strengths, they are totally different...so what if an Evo beats us in a straightline, yes the Evo does handle good, but the S is better, and we destroy them in AutoX's.
And now you guys diss on DSM's too, as if it is a bad car. Reliable, no. Fast, yes...all the non-turbos...piles...all the turbos, well lets say my old DSM would hand your Supercharged S's ass to you...ya FWD daily capable of LOW 13's which even SC S's have trouble with...if I put race gas in...12s were a breeze.
Do you guys realize what you bought your S for? If you REALLY cared about going fast in a straight line....you bought the
ing wrong car...how many times do people have to say that...I know I bought my S because I was sick of FWD, Understeering, and shitty handling...speed wasn't and isn't a huge factor to me anymore.
"It's a Mitsu" and thats bad?
"Its just a fast straightline econobox"...haha right...
and all the other comments...
Come on guys, you should be the better, more mature owners, both cars have great strengths, they are totally different...so what if an Evo beats us in a straightline, yes the Evo does handle good, but the S is better, and we destroy them in AutoX's.
And now you guys diss on DSM's too, as if it is a bad car. Reliable, no. Fast, yes...all the non-turbos...piles...all the turbos, well lets say my old DSM would hand your Supercharged S's ass to you...ya FWD daily capable of LOW 13's which even SC S's have trouble with...if I put race gas in...12s were a breeze.
Do you guys realize what you bought your S for? If you REALLY cared about going fast in a straight line....you bought the
ing wrong car...how many times do people have to say that...I know I bought my S because I was sick of FWD, Understeering, and shitty handling...speed wasn't and isn't a huge factor to me anymore.
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Originally Posted by SLO-S2000,Dec 1 2004, 08:31 AM
Its funny how most of you S2000 owners are just as bad as the Evo owners...
"It's a Mitsu" and thats bad?
"Its just a fast straightline econobox"...haha right...
and all the other comments...
Come on guys, you should be the better, more mature owners, both cars have great strengths, they are totally different...so what if an Evo beats us in a straightline, yes the Evo does handle good, but the S is better, and we destroy them in AutoX's.
And now you guys diss on DSM's too, as if it is a bad car. Reliable, no. Fast, yes...all the non-turbos...piles...all the turbos, well lets say my old DSM would hand your Supercharged S's ass to you...ya FWD daily capable of LOW 13's which even SC S's have trouble with...if I put race gas in...12s were a breeze.
Do you guys realize what you bought your S for? If you REALLY cared about going fast in a straight line....you bought theing wrong car...how many times do people have to say that...I know I bought my S because I was sick of FWD, Understeering, and shitty handling...speed wasn't and isn't a huge factor to me anymore.
"It's a Mitsu" and thats bad?
"Its just a fast straightline econobox"...haha right...
and all the other comments...
Come on guys, you should be the better, more mature owners, both cars have great strengths, they are totally different...so what if an Evo beats us in a straightline, yes the Evo does handle good, but the S is better, and we destroy them in AutoX's.
And now you guys diss on DSM's too, as if it is a bad car. Reliable, no. Fast, yes...all the non-turbos...piles...all the turbos, well lets say my old DSM would hand your Supercharged S's ass to you...ya FWD daily capable of LOW 13's which even SC S's have trouble with...if I put race gas in...12s were a breeze.
Do you guys realize what you bought your S for? If you REALLY cared about going fast in a straight line....you bought the
ing wrong car...how many times do people have to say that...I know I bought my S because I was sick of FWD, Understeering, and shitty handling...speed wasn't and isn't a huge factor to me anymore.All of these cars - Mitsu Evo, Subaru WRX/STI, Honda Civic, Chevy Cavalier, Kia Rio, Nissan Sentra, Ford Focus and Dodge Neon - I (as would most normal people) would lump all those cars in the same group. They are all 4 door economy passenger cars. They have about as much appeal as a minivan to me.
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A few of these replies are similar to my experience. I had a 95 FWD turbo eclipse that I modded to 320hp. Pushing high twelves out of it was very fun. But things started breaking and the handling ROYALLY SUCKED. So I was ready to move on.
I chose the S2000 because it's classy, exclusive, and it handles like a dream. I must say... going from a 12 second turbocharged thrill ride to the mid 14 S2000 does make me sad sometimes. But then I drop the top and carve a few corners and that smile comes right back!
In regards to the EVO... no 4 door will ever make me smile. I'm a sports car kinda guy. And the EVO is NOT A SPORTS CAR.
I chose the S2000 because it's classy, exclusive, and it handles like a dream. I must say... going from a 12 second turbocharged thrill ride to the mid 14 S2000 does make me sad sometimes. But then I drop the top and carve a few corners and that smile comes right back!
In regards to the EVO... no 4 door will ever make me smile. I'm a sports car kinda guy. And the EVO is NOT A SPORTS CAR.
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Originally Posted by turbodriven,Dec 1 2004, 08:49 AM
I must say... going from a 12 second turbocharged thrill ride to the mid 14 S2000 does make me sad sometimes.
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http://www.vishnutuning.com/prelude2.htm
enough said.
I've seen alot or really ignorant coments about the evo in here...alot of people dont have a clue and should not talk at all.
1. The evo is not a drag car.
2. The S2000 does not handle better.
3. The s2000 is not more fun to drive. 13:1 2.1 turn lock to lock steering plus 12+ years of rally racing put into the suspension owns you.
4. The s2000 is not faster in a race track.
5. The wing and body on the evo are not rice. they are specifically designed for brake cooling and downforce.
6. The engine is bullet proof..and whoever said that mitsu is dumb for needing 18+ psi to make 230awhp omg, i dont know where to start. you are dumb.
7. The egince is bulletproof.
8. Completely different cars. Both extremely fun to drive.. s2k looks better and has honda reliability.
9. The evo wasnt designed to be a nice looking car with a nice interior.. Its a very raw race car.
enough said.
I've seen alot or really ignorant coments about the evo in here...alot of people dont have a clue and should not talk at all.
1. The evo is not a drag car.
2. The S2000 does not handle better.
3. The s2000 is not more fun to drive. 13:1 2.1 turn lock to lock steering plus 12+ years of rally racing put into the suspension owns you.
4. The s2000 is not faster in a race track.
5. The wing and body on the evo are not rice. they are specifically designed for brake cooling and downforce.
6. The engine is bullet proof..and whoever said that mitsu is dumb for needing 18+ psi to make 230awhp omg, i dont know where to start. you are dumb.
7. The egince is bulletproof.
8. Completely different cars. Both extremely fun to drive.. s2k looks better and has honda reliability.
9. The evo wasnt designed to be a nice looking car with a nice interior.. Its a very raw race car.
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Originally Posted by SM00TH976,Dec 1 2004, 10:06 AM
the evo is an awesome car, and so is the s2000. they are totally different types of cars though. the evo is a good handling car that can be made into a really really quick drag car. the s2000 is one of the best handling cars you can buy for under $100k. as much as i hate to say it, the evo really isn't that great looking, but looks aren't really the biggest deal to me (i used to own a 1g turbo awd talon, the american evo of 10 years ago).
if you want to build a drag car, there is no question which one is better. hell turbotrix has an evo that is running 9's and is still street driven. will an s2000 ever see 9's? i very highly doubt it. sure they may only make 270hp at 18lbs (btw, it bleeds off boost as it closes in on the redline. the factory ecu doesn't run 18lbs the whole time) but i've seen a couple of shops put 500 hp to the wheels on the stock engine internals. you will NEVER see that on an S2000. but then again this car was never designed to make as much power as the evo was.
the s2k was designed to be a sports car from the get go. the evo is an econobox that has been throughly massaged and turned into a beast. both are excellent at what they do however, so i don't see what the big deal is. if someone wanted to trade me an evo for my s2000, i wouldn't have to think twice about it. goodbye honda reliability, hello mitsu horsepower.
btw, mitsu is a very shady automobile company. i have read a lot of stuff on the evo forums about them not honoring warranties, and using any excuse possible to get out of repairing cars under warranty. for that reason alone i would rather have an STi. the reason i have a preference for the evo is because i already know so much about the engine/drivetrain from my previous dsm experience.
if you want to build a drag car, there is no question which one is better. hell turbotrix has an evo that is running 9's and is still street driven. will an s2000 ever see 9's? i very highly doubt it. sure they may only make 270hp at 18lbs (btw, it bleeds off boost as it closes in on the redline. the factory ecu doesn't run 18lbs the whole time) but i've seen a couple of shops put 500 hp to the wheels on the stock engine internals. you will NEVER see that on an S2000. but then again this car was never designed to make as much power as the evo was.
the s2k was designed to be a sports car from the get go. the evo is an econobox that has been throughly massaged and turned into a beast. both are excellent at what they do however, so i don't see what the big deal is. if someone wanted to trade me an evo for my s2000, i wouldn't have to think twice about it. goodbye honda reliability, hello mitsu horsepower.
btw, mitsu is a very shady automobile company. i have read a lot of stuff on the evo forums about them not honoring warranties, and using any excuse possible to get out of repairing cars under warranty. for that reason alone i would rather have an STi. the reason i have a preference for the evo is because i already know so much about the engine/drivetrain from my previous dsm experience.
and nice article....
did any S2Ks run Lap of America?
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How about some raw data:
In 2003, there were roughly 16 million new cars and light trucks sold. Of those 16 million, only 7,888 were MY2003 S2000s.
Draw your own conclusion from that. Also, if someone who drives a different car does not like your car, does that mean you bought the wrong car? Think of that in terms of shoes or cereal. None of it matters as long as you are happy!
In 2003, there were roughly 16 million new cars and light trucks sold. Of those 16 million, only 7,888 were MY2003 S2000s.
Draw your own conclusion from that. Also, if someone who drives a different car does not like your car, does that mean you bought the wrong car? Think of that in terms of shoes or cereal. None of it matters as long as you are happy!
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Ok ok...so we stoop kinda low and call the EVO guys names. Sure it's a great car for the money and all. I think when it all comes down to it, you buy what fits your character. I know that the EVO was designed with some function in mind, but be serious. Mitsu did rice it a bit in response to the growing rice market. Ferraris have working vents and wings that don't look gaudy and huge plus they look nice.
Of course there is nothing wrong with the EVO styling, it's just competitive marketing by Mitsu to draw the target consumer its after. However, by driving that car you get immediately classified under the street racer rice boy badge because of the styling. It's not sleek or sophisticated like the S2000 is. The interior and exterior of the S2000 are designed to appeal to a certain consumer which is older and has a higher income. Just like the S2000 is not as sensible as the SL500 or DB7. When Aston Martin builds a sports car it has wood and leather everywhere, when honda builds one, it has some leather and some vinyl, and when Mitsu builds one, they steal a couch off the street and reuse the upholstry.
Seriously though, it's marketed to a completely different person altogether. Plus, how many of us would be willing to give up even more ponies to keep a convertable top?
Of course there is nothing wrong with the EVO styling, it's just competitive marketing by Mitsu to draw the target consumer its after. However, by driving that car you get immediately classified under the street racer rice boy badge because of the styling. It's not sleek or sophisticated like the S2000 is. The interior and exterior of the S2000 are designed to appeal to a certain consumer which is older and has a higher income. Just like the S2000 is not as sensible as the SL500 or DB7. When Aston Martin builds a sports car it has wood and leather everywhere, when honda builds one, it has some leather and some vinyl, and when Mitsu builds one, they steal a couch off the street and reuse the upholstry
.Seriously though, it's marketed to a completely different person altogether. Plus, how many of us would be willing to give up even more ponies to keep a convertable top?