I think most people are tlaking about low to mid range torque... the S and a 350 are roughly = cars, the 350 may have an advantage in the 1320 (different debate) but in 3rd gear at 30 MPH going up hill (extreem example I know) the S2K dosent have crap, on theo ther hand the 350 will pull nicely, if both cars shift into a more agressive gear suited to the cars power band, then they are = again. But for daily driving the low end torque is missing.

 

An S weighs almost 2900 pounds. Lately, I've seen many posts refer to 2600 or 2700 lbs. It's more like 28xx lbs, but close to 2900.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jwkim
[B]I really dont understand ppl who says

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ace10
[B]

HUH?????

 

You think some truck weight is more accurate than manufacturer's scale? Why would Honda list over 200 lbs more than the actual weight?

 

maybe you are right.
Still I would think 2850lb(from honda spec) is still light enough for the F20C engine's torque.

For example
B6 Audi(02+) with 1.8T only has 170lb tq for 3400lb AWD car.
S2k definitly feels more torquey than those heavy car even tho 1.8T has way better low-end..

 

Didn't the Mazda MX3 have a tiny V6?

 

Yes I think it was smallest large production V6 which was 1.8L

 

I'm not complaining too much about the S's torque, but having a tiny bit more would be nicer.

 

the mazda nx was very unusual.... but it still isn't a 2.0l. the S isn't lightweight nor is it a torque monster. me personally... i'll take hp over tq any day. please don't strip 250lbs off of the S, it just isn't that easy or practical to do so.