[QUOTE=f20milo,Apr 29 2008, 08:50 AM]Im not mistaken, like i said, its different in different tracks. I dont think you would lie.. I read alot of your conversations and think your pretty knowledgeable!!!

 

Yeah did notice that, but like you said hard to get a cut and dry refrence. If you don't want to share that cool, i'm just trying to get something to compare to since we both have the same gear ratio. Looks like you might be stroked anyway with a couple of those numbers into the near 240 mark.

 

It's not that I mind sharing, but WHP numbers and quarter mile times tend to generate arguments like the one F20milo and Red Bull are having. The only reason I do measurements is to make sure that the mods I make actually do what I expect, and the results, calibrated or not, aren't directly comparable to numbers generated on a dyno. If I factor in temperature, altitude, and drag, plus a fudge factor depending on the dyno I want to match, my car is just a very typical MY00 S2000 with a CTSC/AC and stock exhaust. A little less than a VTSC/AC (but the gears make up the difference ), and a LOT less than some of the high boost turbo S2000's.

When ricers ask I just give them them the Comptech company line and say, "300 WHP," unless I think they're too dumb to know what "WHP" means; In those cases I'll say, "340 HP." On the right day, right dyno, and with the right dyno operator, the car will lay down 300 WHP (lol, with the "right dyno operator" I can lay down a thousand WHP if I want ), but it really tells me more to look at a cars trap speed. If S2000 #1 puts down a 105 trap and S2000 #2 puts down a 105 trap, I figure they're making close to the same power, even if their dyno pulls differ.

What I think you're looking for (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is some kind of feel for what you can expect after going FI. If that's what you're really after, I'll tell you that even with the mildest kit available for the car (CTSC/AC), the results will put a big smile on your face.

I *believe* that some of the guys have broken into the high 12.9's with both the CTSC/AC and the VTSC/AC with no other mods, but I'm not absolutely certain.

Now you can answer a question for me.
What's your take on Red Bull's timeslip? Do you agree with F20milo, that it's impossible, or do you think it's reasonable?

 

Well lets see here, to try and refrain from being long winded, I can see things are starting to get complicated. To clearifie I was assuming by your time slip that you were still N/A, so I was trying ot make a comparison based on this ( my current 225whp 4.30 set up) 105 seems a bit low to me for the A typical Stock CT SC with 4.30 gears. which is what I will have myself in a few weeks, though I have a few other things in addition which should pick things up from a stock -- SC. I'm sure regardless of what it traps it will be a new thrilling ride which I am excited about. My expectations may be a little high however so I hope that I am not heading for disapointment.

My current expectation with current set up is about a 13.3 -13.5 @104-105. So given that, another 100whp should get me into the mid to high 12's @ 108-112. Is this unreasonable or out of the question in either case do you feel?

In reguards to the 13.7 @ 99 stock 03 Ap1 w/ 2. 60' = extremely possible and likely for some at the right track on the right day. I have no reason to think this guy is full of BS, given the expectation of my own car results.

 

Right track, day and driver!!!!

 

I'm not the best guy to ask this kind of thing, becaue I'm not really into drag racing, but I do know that there have been at least a few people breaking into the 12's with CTSC/AC or VTSC/AC and gears. If you look at the run data carefully you'll see that in addition to the less than spectacular 60' time, I also take my time during the shifts, taking between 0.5 and 1.0 seconds on each shift. If I cut a quarter second off the 60' time (which seems reasonable to me) and shift properly ("proper" for drag racing), and the conditions are ideal, I wouldn't be too surprised to see my car turn a 12.9 something. I don't mean to say that it ever WILL, but just that I think it could, given the right day, driver, track, etc. I don't actually know that it's possible, but it doesn't seem totally unreasonable or out of the question to me. I'll never know for sure, because as hard as I drive my car, I don't have the guts to launch it the way it has to be launched to put down a great 60' time.

I'm not sure, but I think you can probably get your car into the 12's, and I also think there you're going to be increasing the chances of a clutch or driveline failure in the process. Not trying to scare you, but we've seen way too many cars broken on the strip to ignore the risks.

 

[QUOTE=RED MX5,Apr 29 2008, 06:33 PM] I'm not the best guy to ask this kind of thing, becaue I'm not really into drag racing, but I do know that there have been at least a few people breaking into the 12's with CTSC/AC or VTSC/AC and gears.

 

Exactly!!

I'm slow to call BS on claims about things like ET or WHP, because there are just too many variables. If someone claims to be running high 12's in a stock S2000 then I'll call BS, but we've seen high 13's before, and when a claim is backed up by a timeslip with a reasonable trap speed I take it at face value. Most people are proud of successful mods that have made their car faster, so I think it's unlikely that someone would claim to be stock when they weren't. Now I wasn't born yesterday, and I do realize that some people will just make stuff up to stir the pot, but such people are usually exposed pretty quickly, and I just feel that it's better to give others the benefit of any doubt.

F20milo, would you agree that the three of us (Red Bull, you, and myself) all agree that what Red Bull is claiming is at least within the realm of possibility?

 

Well like they say; Gotta see to belive!!! Im not saying his lieing, just gotta see to belive

 

[QUOTE=f20milo,Apr 29 2008, 06:57 PM] Well like they say; Gotta see to belive!!!