Why you should not "have" an S2000.
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From: Stratford
Eckler,
PLEASE RE-READ MY POST. I do not CONDONE dis-respect. So don't imply that i do.......I WROTE...................
"For those individuals who are "condescending" to younger drivers, they should deliver their opinions with more tact."
"This is a public forum. Individuals like Barry are allowed to voice his opinion. So long as his posts are RESPECTFUL. I dont EVER recall reading any disrespect in any his posts."
As you can see, there is not a single IOTA of abusive language ANYWHERE in MY post and BARRY's!
Bobby
PLEASE RE-READ MY POST. I do not CONDONE dis-respect. So don't imply that i do.......I WROTE...................
"For those individuals who are "condescending" to younger drivers, they should deliver their opinions with more tact."
"This is a public forum. Individuals like Barry are allowed to voice his opinion. So long as his posts are RESPECTFUL. I dont EVER recall reading any disrespect in any his posts."
As you can see, there is not a single IOTA of abusive language ANYWHERE in MY post and BARRY's!
Bobby
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From: seattle
I'm 50 and bought my S to quench a mid life crisis. It is probably the safest car I have everowned. A helluva lot safer than the 300hp. camaro I owned at 16,and much more sedate than any of the 2wheeled rides i've been obscessed with over the years.If you have a sugerdaddy, more power to you.Intelligence and a keen interest in the "soft science" of driving are the only tools that will help you master any vehicle. And that is what this motosport addiction is all about.
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From: Johnson City
I'm probably one of the few younger owners that agree with some of the older drivers here on the forum. I had originally typed an epic response to some of the posts here but I figured that it would be more effective to summarize:
1. Anyone's assumption that they are responsible 'enough' is already more dangerous than most. You've already let your guard down and are less aware of situations or attitudes that make an accident more likely to happen
2. In todays world and generation (including my own) of instant gratification, we have lost 'rites of passage' that allow a margin of safety to learn the nuances of driving (or a variety of other privileges that have an impact on others lives as well as our own)
3. Acting responsibly behind the wheel has to be more than a fear of financial or property damage as we have a social obligation to think of more than ourselves.
4. I've worked with a tissue bank for almost two years (1200+ hours in the OR) and have seen countless accident victims (perhaps 80% of all the cases are MVA's) and an overwhelming majority are drivers my age +/- 10 years.
5. Yes this thread discriminates, but necessarily so as the statistics all point to our age group. Sorry but driving is not an unalienable right.
6. No excuse: individuality, s2ki meet, belief that you are more responsible than most will ever outweigh the burden of guilt you will feel if you take the life of another person. Anyone who makes these excuses should feel ashamed.
7. Everyone likes to think they are the exception to the rule. Unfortunately, crash statistics (and the # of posts everyone here makes to the 'Street Encounters' Forum) do not lie.
8. The fact that most of the younger drivers here are making exceptions and excuses for themselves is a clear indication that they feel 'more responsible than most.' Overconfidence kills.... especially with inexperience.
9. Catch yourself before you become another statistic. While it is easy for any of us to come up with excuses on how responsibly we drive, or that we 'only race on empty roads' (sorry but this one is just ridiculous) actions speak louder than words.
1. Anyone's assumption that they are responsible 'enough' is already more dangerous than most. You've already let your guard down and are less aware of situations or attitudes that make an accident more likely to happen
2. In todays world and generation (including my own) of instant gratification, we have lost 'rites of passage' that allow a margin of safety to learn the nuances of driving (or a variety of other privileges that have an impact on others lives as well as our own)
3. Acting responsibly behind the wheel has to be more than a fear of financial or property damage as we have a social obligation to think of more than ourselves.
4. I've worked with a tissue bank for almost two years (1200+ hours in the OR) and have seen countless accident victims (perhaps 80% of all the cases are MVA's) and an overwhelming majority are drivers my age +/- 10 years.
5. Yes this thread discriminates, but necessarily so as the statistics all point to our age group. Sorry but driving is not an unalienable right.
6. No excuse: individuality, s2ki meet, belief that you are more responsible than most will ever outweigh the burden of guilt you will feel if you take the life of another person. Anyone who makes these excuses should feel ashamed.
7. Everyone likes to think they are the exception to the rule. Unfortunately, crash statistics (and the # of posts everyone here makes to the 'Street Encounters' Forum) do not lie.
8. The fact that most of the younger drivers here are making exceptions and excuses for themselves is a clear indication that they feel 'more responsible than most.' Overconfidence kills.... especially with inexperience.
9. Catch yourself before you become another statistic. While it is easy for any of us to come up with excuses on how responsibly we drive, or that we 'only race on empty roads' (sorry but this one is just ridiculous) actions speak louder than words.
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From: Mesa
To all you defensive and immature young drivers, here's more "age discrimination", as your political-correctness handlers have taught you to say; I agree with Barry's well-thought-out post. Probably most of the poster-drivers on this board are competent behind the wheel, but obviously some are not. Driving skills come with experience; I don't believe anyone should be able to get a license until they're 18. Then responsibility would be more likely present. Symptomatic of the problem of youthful/irresponsible drivers is a news story lately here in Phoenix about a 15 year-old kid who died running his Daddy's Jaguar into a forklift. It was an XK8!! On the other hand, I daily see old goats easing their Buicks down the highway, usually blocking the fast lane, clueless about conditions around them.
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From: Sheridan
Thank you one and all for participating in this thread. I appreciate every post. I apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings with my own posts.
Some things are hard to discuss on line. Those things include politics and religion which are properly banned from this forum. I think "age-ism" is also hard.
I'm glad everyone with an S2000 interest participates, no matter the age. I've got a lot to learn.
I'm closing this thread on my own before it spins out of control.
Barry
Some things are hard to discuss on line. Those things include politics and religion which are properly banned from this forum. I think "age-ism" is also hard.
I'm glad everyone with an S2000 interest participates, no matter the age. I've got a lot to learn.
I'm closing this thread on my own before it spins out of control.
Barry
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