folex,

Honda dialed in some fairly aggressive (for a street car) toe and bump-steer settings from the factory. It's not uncommon to see the car "training" with ruts in the road.

Regardless, the temperature has a large amount to do with the grip your tires have.

 

I've never thought that wind-chill had that much effect on the tire. I've autocrossed this car in 36 degree weather on warn out Khumos - I know from rock hard and no grip.

Black ice or whatever, it isn't the cars fault in the sense that more judicious clutch/throttle application may have led to a non story in this case - but our car is twitchy. I've driven this car and my e36 back to back on cold days - the S is more, uhm, interesting. And the M is on horrible cold weather tires as well, and puts significantly more torque to the ground.

 

If you are not stomping the throttle at 6500rpm, just crusing....no snow on the ground (under 40mph)......there is no force on earth of hearven to break the s02s loose.

That is not true. Go into 2nd gear and do steady 40mph. Then press the cluth in and let the revs drop to idle. Drop the clutch. You're going to have 2 locked up rear tyres and possibly a spin. That is compression lockup ... I'm surpised that people don't seem to be aware of it. As I mentioned in the previous post, I see that as the most likely thing that happend here according to the description from the driver.

As someone else mentioned, cars do not spin by themselves (evn the S2000) unless there was some major mechanical failure.

 

Yes the S-02's have great traction, when new, and slightly used, but when you run them down bald, you might as well have bike tires on it.

 

That sucks but at the end of the day, your alive ! Imagine if you did that on some highway. Any accident you walk away from wasn't too bad.

 

And why would someone do that when they know their tires are cold and will spin out.,.......thats what I meant NORMAL DRIVING. I challenge someone to drive in freezing weather, drive like a normal person would drive a yugo shifting at 3100RPM, and tell me you broke the S02 loose. If you can, you are one skilled driver.

 

All this at 20mph? I don't think I could spin out on purpose at 20mph unless there was 2 inches of ice on the ground. Even then I'd have to TRY to spin out. Sorry to hear about the accident though...

Johnny

 

ugh sorry man

 

And why would someone do that when they know their tires are cold and will spin out.,.......thats what I meant NORMAL DRIVING.

On 'puspuse'? ... no I never said that this accident happened on purpose. Accidents happen and sometimes you (ie. the driver) do the wrong thing to cause the accident. Accideints like this happen when doing your everyday 'normal driving'. Sometimes you don't realize that you revs dropped that low or as someone else pointed out that you are not in gear.

 

Agree...this could happend also if for some reason you were slow in shifting, cluth in, engine RPM droped and then you enter a gear too low for the car speed, result in engine rev up and fish-tailing trying to control your rear end, in the better case. The patched road may have "helped" in loosing control in this case.