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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 06:13 AM
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has anyone else noticed this as a trend for honda sport cars? lol this i like deja vu with the nsx, at first beat everything and everyone in its class for price/performance and then had minimal changes as the s2k has had. In my opinion it makes it good for resale value for people "looking" for s2ks as there are minimal changes. However that hurts new potential buyers who are swayed by "bigger hp/torque".

I find many people on here bought the wrong car for the wrong reasons. Most people daily drive and want that power feeling, well they don't realize that the power becomes "normal" after a time so pick a car you like not for just power.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by s2kkyo,Sep 11 2007, 10:13 AM
has anyone else noticed this as a trend for honda sport cars? lol this i like deja vu with the nsx, at first beat everything and everyone in its class for price/performance
Upon release, the NSX was championing the likes of Ferrari and high end Porsches- cars well north of the NSX's price range. It was still priced well above the Corvettes at that time.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 11:12 AM
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Oh I see, what I meant is the unchanging or minor changing over the decade+ that it was in production just like how the s2k seems to have done
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by FF2Skip,Sep 11 2007, 09:35 AM
Upon release, the NSX was championing the likes of Ferrari and high end Porsches- cars well north of the NSX's price range. It was still priced well above the Corvettes at that time.
Interestingly, when Honda builds a specialty car they do what Ferrari does, and keep the car relatively unchanged for it's entire production run. Dr. Porsche use to do the same thing. Look how long the Type 1 VW was in production without a major redesign.

Look at the Europa. One restyle and driveline upgrade during the entire production life of the car. A specialty car is sold in low numbers, and it takes longer to recoup design costs. A successful specialty car also hits the target market it's at which it is aimed, and as long as there are still buyers waiting, it doesn't make sense to move the target to a different segment.

LOL, the Europa is really a good example here. When the upgraded model came out most people hated it. The improved rear visability came at the cost of compromised styling that most people didn't like, so the car turned a lot of people off in spite of its greatly improved driveline. The twin-cam engine and funky styling appealed to a sligtly different market segment, but it was due, becaue sales had slumped due to the original market segment being saturated.

I can't think of any real specialty cars where limited or total lack of change is not the norm.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RED MX5,Sep 11 2007, 01:30 PM
Interestingly, when Honda builds a specialty car they do what Ferrari does, and keep the car relatively unchanged for it's entire production run. Dr. Porsche use to do the same thing. Look how long the Type 1 VW was in production without a major redesign.

Look at the Europa. One restyle and driveline upgrade during the entire production life of the car. A specialty car is sold in low numbers, and it takes longer to recoup design costs. A successful specialty car also hits the target market it's at which it is aimed, and as long as there are still buyers waiting, it doesn't make sense to move the target to a different segment.

LOL, the Europa is really a good example here. When the upgraded model came out most people hated it. The improved rear visability came at the cost of compromised styling that most people didn't like, so the car turned a lot of people off in spite of its greatly improved driveline. The twin-cam engine and funky styling appealed to a sligtly different market segment, but it was due, becaue sales had slumped due to the original market segment being saturated.

I can't think of any real specialty cars where limited or total lack of change is not the norm.
According to sales, the S2000 is no more of a "speciality" car than the Boxster and it got a model change.

"In 2006, 6,271 new Honda S2000s were sold in the United States. 2006 sales of comparable cars were 4,503 units for the Porsche Boxster..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S2000
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 12:27 PM
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And to make it even worse, the Boxster actually got a midlife hp increase in 2002 I think?
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by nastinupe1,Sep 11 2007, 01:27 PM
And to make it even worse, the Boxster actually got a midlife hp increase.
So buy a Boxster.

I still don't understand the problem here. Are you a Honda stockholder or something? If so, I suggest this isn't the best forum for communicating your suggestions to corporate headquarters.

And in relative terms, the Boxster is a mass-market Porsche, while the S2000 is an extreme niche Honda.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by nastinupe1,Sep 11 2007, 12:27 PM
And to make it even worse, the Boxster actually got a midlife hp increase in 2002 I think?
I could've sworn the S2000 got a mid-life HP and Torque boost too...right? I mean, there is a difference between power output of the AP1 and AP2, right?

Honda has upgraded the S2000. It was 4 years before the first upgrade. And 4 years after that we have th CR model. Perhaps not a power increase, but a power to weight ratio more favorable to performance driving.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Sep 11 2007, 03:29 PM
I still don't understand the problem here. Are you a Honda stockholder or something?


It's okay. I know some of us -- including myself -- gets a little too emotionally attached to the car sometimes
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by nastinupe1,Sep 11 2007, 04:27 PM
And to make it even worse, the Boxster actually got a midlife hp increase in 2002 I think?
You obviously know little. The bump in the Boxster was in response to the S2000's success at a much lower price point. It got tired of being beat in road tests by various magazines.
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