as the years roll by, acceleration stays the same
09-05-2007 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 8kGoodENuff,Sep 5 2007, 10:46 AM
Why is everyone adding so much to all these equations?
Why would you have to beef up the chassis or the tranny? There's people on here with 500 whp with the stock tranny and the factory chassis and there is nothing breaking.
All this car would need would be maybe a 2.5L I-5 or I-6 to keep at least the 8000 Reline with 300 hp and still almost keep the 50/50 weight distribution. A little bump in HP wouldn't need so much upgrading of everything else.
That really shouldn't be a hard task for Honda considering all they've accomplished so far.
Andre
Why would you have to beef up the chassis or the tranny? There's people on here with 500 whp with the stock tranny and the factory chassis and there is nothing breaking.
All this car would need would be maybe a 2.5L I-5 or I-6 to keep at least the 8000 Reline with 300 hp and still almost keep the 50/50 weight distribution. A little bump in HP wouldn't need so much upgrading of everything else.
That really shouldn't be a hard task for Honda considering all they've accomplished so far.
Andre
09-05-2007 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bankstreet,Sep 5 2007, 11:29 AM
Yea like anyone is going to pay $50k for an acura
09-05-2007 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by i_heart_my_DB8,Sep 5 2007, 11:38 AM
Sure.
I like where this is going!
Acura should release a $50k "premium" sports car. Of course, it would have to conform to Acura's levels of luxury, be quiet and smooth, offer premium level options like navigation and dual zone climate control. All these things would probably push the car up in weight a bit, and sacrifice some raw handling.
Then, everyone would complain. "Why can't we have a stripped down version of this $50k Acura? I don't need all the bells and whistles!! Give us a raw, light-weight sports car, and sell it at $34k as a Honda!!"
See where this is going?
I like where this is going!
Acura should release a $50k "premium" sports car. Of course, it would have to conform to Acura's levels of luxury, be quiet and smooth, offer premium level options like navigation and dual zone climate control. All these things would probably push the car up in weight a bit, and sacrifice some raw handling.
Then, everyone would complain. "Why can't we have a stripped down version of this $50k Acura? I don't need all the bells and whistles!! Give us a raw, light-weight sports car, and sell it at $34k as a Honda!!"
See where this is going?
09-05-2007 | 10:05 AM
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The S2000 may not be the fastest, but it feels the fastest (i.e. more exciting). In the end, the arms race is just that, someone will always trump you with something faster. You buy an EVO, someone gets an Elise. You buy a 5.0 someone gets a Supra. You buy a Porsche, someone buys a Ferrari. You buy an S2000, someone buys the 07 Z. You buy a Corvette Z51, someone buys the Z06. In the end, there's always going to be someone faster than you, and I don't race competitively so I just got the car that's the most exciting that I could afford.
If honda wanted to build an all out sports car, it wouldn't have been a roadster.
If honda wanted to build an all out sports car, it wouldn't have been a roadster.
09-05-2007 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by nastinupe1,Sep 5 2007, 11:04 AM
Yea... like the NSX was quiet and smooth.
Okay, I'll play along.
Yeah, the NSX wasn't extremely quiet, nor was it extremely smooth. But, then again, the car came out in 1990. Lets take a look across the board at what other cars Acura offered in 1990. Integra? Legend? And... well, that's about it.
Now lets take a look at what cars Acura offers today, shall we? Hmm, no more Integra. In fact, no more RSX. Could it be possibly... that Acura is changing their brand image?
And while the NSX may have fit in back then, it doesn't anymore. Or were you one of the people who were surprised that the Advanced Sports Car concept was more of a GT?Hmm....
09-05-2007 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by nastinupe1,Sep 5 2007, 10:04 AM
Yea... what was I thinking? Acura has NEVER sold a $50k sports car before. Damn...
09-05-2007 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDonEffect,Sep 5 2007, 12:05 PM
The S2000 may not be the fastest, but it feels the fastest (i.e. more exciting). In the end, the arms race is just that, someone will always trump you with something faster. You buy an EVO, someone gets an Elise. You buy a 5.0 someone gets a Supra. You buy a Porsche, someone buys a Ferrari. You buy an S2000, someone buys the 07 Z. You buy a Corvette Z51, someone buys the Z06. In the end, there's always going to be someone faster than you, and I don't race competitively so I just got the car that's the most exciting that I could afford.
If honda wanted to build an all out sports car, it wouldn't have been a roadster.
If honda wanted to build an all out sports car, it wouldn't have been a roadster.
I believe that we as enthusiasts are missing out on experiencing a better sports car because of the lack of progression in the S2000. When I first bought my MY00 S2000 in 2002, I compared it to a 1998 Boxster S. The S2000 won out because it was a better car. Since then, the Boxster S has transformed from being a decent little roadster to being a great roadster. Porsche improved on an already good idea and made it better.
Had Porsche kept the Boxster the same, we would never know what we were missing with the 2005+ models because the old one was a great car, but Porsche didn't stop there. They improved on the Boxster and made it better.
Why can't we get the same from Honda? Why can't Honda just redesign the S2000 and make it a better car? It's not just about the engine, it's about everything! Aerodynamics, tires, weight, seats, interior design, fit and finish, engine, etc. It's time for an improvement.
09-05-2007 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by toofast4yalll,Sep 4 2007, 09:12 AM
^ I agree. The 350Z gets stronger year after year. The problem with the S2000 is that so many Americans complained it had no torque, was too twitchy, not enough interior space, etc. Instead of spending R&D time getting more power and better handling out of the car, Honda spent the R&D time giving the car more low end, roomier interior, more cupholders, softer suspension, etc. That's why I bought a MY00 and modded it. I'd put my car against any stock 350Z in production from a 40 roll on the freeway or at Mid Ohio.
09-05-2007 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Steven2k,Sep 5 2007, 12:24 PM
get your facts straight. the ap2 is superior compared to the ap1 in every way. go watch battles at 10k rpm.
AP1 lovers are haters
