S2000 Talk Discussions related to the S2000, its ownership and enthusiasm for it.

Z4 Disaster. When will BMW get it right?

Thread Tools
 
Old Jun 21, 2003 | 08:46 AM
  #11  
DesertRat's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 529
Likes: 0
From: Finn living in Dubai
Default

Originally posted by Triple-H

One who wants an occasional top down drive, not the kind of person who knows exactly how many days before their next autox or driving school.
I have to say that this comment brought a smile to my face. My wife marvels at my ability to forget birthdays, anniversaries etc. while at the same time being able to quote dates, times and locations of the next 8 race meets
Old Jun 21, 2003 | 08:52 AM
  #12  
chipperman's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 488
Likes: 0
From: Estes Park
Default

The problem with trying to reinvent the wheel is that it works best when it is round. BMW still hasn't learned that.
Old Jun 21, 2003 | 09:04 AM
  #13  
Voodoo_S2K's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 17,792
Likes: 4
From: Bay Area, California
Default

Originally posted by SJSHARKS


In your dreams, look up the torque on the Z4.

You would never catch it.
OMG! Not this thing again. When will people learn.

I'm sure glad I never raced my buddy's diesel pickup. With all that torque, he would surely beat me.
Old Jun 21, 2003 | 09:17 AM
  #14  
Evil G's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 421
Likes: 0
From: Jericho
Default

there's only one word to describe the z4


OOOPS!
Old Jun 21, 2003 | 09:21 AM
  #15  
Triple-H's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 58,680
Likes: 2
From: West Henrietta UPSTATE NY
Default

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Voodoo_S2K
[B]I'm sure glad I never raced my buddy's diesel pickup.
Old Jun 21, 2003 | 09:36 AM
  #16  
6sigma's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 390
Likes: 1
From: TH
Default

Isn't the Z4 available with a sequential manual transmission? If so, gotta respect the innovation.
Old Jun 21, 2003 | 10:04 AM
  #17  
SJSHARKS's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 642
Likes: 0
From: STOCKTON
Default

In any road course the Z4, with it's 50 extra pounds of torque, would pull one to two car lengths on the S2000 exiting each and every corner.

Over a 50 or 60 lap race, the Z4 would probably lap the Honda, even if the S2000 driver was able to keep the S2k in vtec the entire race. The 50 lb ft of torque deficit, even with superior RPM's, would never overcome the additional burst out of each corner.

At the present time the S2000 just does not have an answer for the huge discrepency in torque verses the Z4.
Old Jun 21, 2003 | 10:16 AM
  #18  
Russ's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,956
Likes: 0
From: Land of the landeaus
Default

I've actually grown to favor the Z4 sheetmetal and I was one of the early bashers. I think it is effortlessly masculine and the rear trunk is aggressive. No girly convertible here folks. I don't like the wafer thin steering wheel though, it's fugly...and I don't like interior dashes that connect A pillars without some sort of driver isolation (think Supra, RX7, etc) ergonomically. Outside, I like it. Inside....drab.
Old Jun 21, 2003 | 10:18 AM
  #19  
S2020's Avatar
Member (Premium)
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 112,963
Likes: 150
From: Doh!!
Default

Wow SJSharks, you really impressed me with your superior knowledge.

Thanks for the physics lession.

I'm going to go trade in my S2000 for a Z4 this afternoon!!
Old Jun 21, 2003 | 10:26 AM
  #20  
SJSHARKS's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 642
Likes: 0
From: STOCKTON
Default

Thanks s2020, I must make one correction to my post however.

The torque differential is actually 61 lb ft, not 50.

I did not even touch on the advantage of the the sequential shifter. Probably a second per lap.



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:10 AM.