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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by WayneTeK,Feb 1 2006, 12:43 AM
this thread doesn't make sense..
It's simple. I am just trying to figure out if the stumble i notice coming off low rpm's is common to S2000's or wheter it is the DBW causing the proplem. If it is the former, I guess I live with it -- tha latter is a warranty issue
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 04:11 AM
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It's not a warranty issue if it is a normal characteristic of the car.
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Yflyer,Jan 31 2006, 09:58 PM
So you ar sying that the Drive-By-Wire throttle has been programmed to produce the same hiccup?

Or are you sying that the hiccup is endemic to the S
This is not a "problem" as such. Take a look at this quote from "Kschmied":
Its common for ANY standard car to "buck" slightly when going from completley off the gas to on the gas, while staying in gear and not using the clutch at all.
He is one of the very few people I've seen post on this topic that has an understanding of basic automobile characteristics.

You don't program something like this "into" the car. The car (any manual car) has this characteristic. I suppose Honda could have programmed this "out" of the car, but then you would really have very slow throttle response the rest of the time.

When you are decelerating, the rpm is dropping. If you then stomp on it, you are asking the engine to motivate the weight of the car from that lower rpm, where there is less torque and HP. You are also reversing all the driveline lash. It is natural to get a "stumble" when you do this. If you don't want this "hiccup", then don't stomp on the gas so rapidly when you transition from decel to accel. Or learn when to clutch and when to downshift, in which case, you'll get a stumble or hesitation when you do the shift or do the clutching or both.
Some of you really need to learn basic auto mechanics and drivetrain function.
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 06:35 AM
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my car does the same thing if i try to reproduce what you're stating.
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 08:20 AM
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Engine above a certian rpm, zero throttle, fuel gets cut off, less pollution and higher mileage and no exhaust backfire noise. So your are coasting than nail the peddle, a moment of no power as computer restarts fuel flow.
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 04:44 PM
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Alright, I know engines an fuel systems pretty well. I've driven manual tranny's for over 30 years and I can manage low rpm and high rpm performance as well as anyone.

Indeed, modern cars use fuel shut off on trailing throttle while in gear. I just sold a VW Passat 1.8T 5-speed. The multifunction display (VW speak for computer display) would blank out on trailing throttle, indicating infinite miles per gallon (i.e division by zero if you understand this).

NEVER did it stumble coming back after trailing throttle, and neither does my '94 Acura GS. Now, don't start dissing all the other problems with the VW -- that's why it is gone and the S is my 5the Honda product. I CURRNETLY own -- 3 Odyssey's 95/95/98, 1 Acura 94, and the S 06. I am used to any Honda quirk.

Everything else on the car is so well engineered that this flaw really irritates. don't excuse it or explain it away.
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 05:47 PM
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Alright, I know engines an fuel systems pretty well. I've driven manual tranny's for over 30 years and I can manage low rpm and high rpm performance as well as anyone.
If you say so.

I am used to any Honda quirk.
Of course you do.

Everything else on the car is so well engineered that this flaw really irritates. don't excuse it or explain it away.
If you think it's a flaw, then take it back and keep at them till they FIX it. Those who have responded here obviously don't know half as much as you, so I guess we're just a bunch of dummies who don't think anything of it and we're all just fools for believing we understand what it is. I guess I'm pretty stupid since my 2 Vettes did this. My Viper did this. My little Civic did this. And the list goes on. Oh, and I'll "excuse" it or "explain" it as I please. I'm just an ignorant dumb shit, so I'll use whatever "excuse" to make me feel good about my cars. Since you know so much about cars and have such long, vast experience in the automotive field, I guess you won't ever need any help or advise from us dummies on this forum ever again.

Buh-Bye!
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by xviper,Feb 1 2006, 06:47 PM
Oh, and I'll "excuse" it or "explain" it as I please. Buh-Bye!
Sorry you've had those experiences. It is just that I've never had a car do this since my last carburetor.

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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by xviper,Feb 1 2006, 07:29 AM
You don't program something like this "into" the car.
I hope you did not mean that's what I said x. My point was because of the fact that this car used to do it before DBW was used in 06, the hypothesis is that the DELAY Yflyer is getting is because they programmed the DBW so it doesn't snap open the throttle even when asked...so the car doesn't buck, but instead there's a pause as the throttle is gradually openened.

Everyone take a chill pill...

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Yflyer,Feb 1 2006, 05:44 PM
I CURRNETLY own -- 3 Odyssey's 95/95/98, 1 Acura 94, and the S 06.
3 or 4 out of those 5 are automatics.

And why in the hell would any man own 3 Odysseys? I mean, it's a great vehicle, now, but those years? And 3 of them? How many children could you possibly have? How many groceries do you need to pick up.

Wouldn't it be easier to just get a bus? Or hell, since you like VW so much, where's the Eurovan?

If you're not happy with the performance of the vehicle and think something is wrong, take it to the dealer and ask them to fix it. I don't think driving lessons are covered under warranty.

You test drove the car before you bought it or at least had the opportunity to test drive it and did not complain at that time. There is nothing wrong with the car, get over it and get used to it or get rid of it.
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