Accelerated Engine Break-In.
Originally Posted by krazik,Nov 16 2004, 01:00 AM
I'm the builder. Its not rocket science to bolt my head on to a brand new short block.
I found an amusing quote:
"If you break-in soft, she will like it soft. If you break-in hard, she will scream when you play"
That's the breakin method we believe locally. If you wan't reliability break it in like a granny. If you want both performance and reliability, break it in like the manual say. If you want peak power and performance, drive it hard. A lot of drag racers, break it in on the drag strips in the old days.
"If you break-in soft, she will like it soft. If you break-in hard, she will scream when you play"
That's the breakin method we believe locally. If you wan't reliability break it in like a granny. If you want both performance and reliability, break it in like the manual say. If you want peak power and performance, drive it hard. A lot of drag racers, break it in on the drag strips in the old days.
Originally Posted by cjb80,Nov 15 2004, 09:00 AM
The engine needs pressure to properly 'file' the piston rings to perfectly match the cylinder walls. The cylinder walls are honed which acts like a file. The honing wears off after about 20 minutes, so those first 20 minutes of the engine running are pretty critical. If you have more cylinder pressure during that period in time, it puts more pressure on the rings, which - in theory - get a better seal.
After 20 minutes or so however the honing is done. Any critical engine problems will show up during that period of time as well. If all is well, I would say you're good to go after that.....
Chris
After 20 minutes or so however the honing is done. Any critical engine problems will show up during that period of time as well. If all is well, I would say you're good to go after that.....
Chris
Originally Posted by hecash,Nov 24 2004, 08:11 AM
So, doesn't that agree with the way that we broke in the Exige?
The only other option I could think of is a dino juice fill with a moly additive.
Find a mustang dyno and strap it down for an hour, it simulates load, better than any other roller.
I would assume you can probably get in 90 miles in an hour.
For those that follow the motorcycle genius approach - can you explain why nearly every manufacturer recommends a break-in procedure? My last M3 had all sort of stickies on the windshield with instructions, disclaimers, and limitations on RPM.
Is it a plot to actually diminish the pereformance and longevity of their vehicles? It makes no sense at all to me.
I am with PHUD on this one. Old Wives Tales and pseudo-science by an unknown, uncredentialed Internet guy is not what I would base my engine run-in upon, nor in fact, did I.
Racers rebuild their engines so much, that inference from their practices are completely insignificant.
Honda has a pretty good experience designing engines that deliver - as i recall, they make more engijnes than anyone else in the world.
And they have it wrong?
Is it a plot to actually diminish the pereformance and longevity of their vehicles? It makes no sense at all to me.
I am with PHUD on this one. Old Wives Tales and pseudo-science by an unknown, uncredentialed Internet guy is not what I would base my engine run-in upon, nor in fact, did I.
Racers rebuild their engines so much, that inference from their practices are completely insignificant.
Honda has a pretty good experience designing engines that deliver - as i recall, they make more engijnes than anyone else in the world.
And they have it wrong?
Few engine builders or racers brake their rebuilt or new engines in like a street car. As long as you put a couple hundred miles of moderate driving on it, that is plenty conservative. Many respected individuals I know claim after driving about 20-30 minutes it is ready for racing. Engine break-in recommendations by manufacturers are MUCH more complicated than setting up the engine to be the most reliable/durable/powerful. There are tons of other parts that settle in, and probably most important, they don't want the driver of his new sportscar redlining the crap out of it and killing himself driving out of the dealership instead of slowly getting used to the car.
Originally Posted by Road Rage,Dec 2 2004, 05:15 PM
For those that follow the motorcycle genius approach - can you explain why nearly every manufacturer recommends a break-in procedure? My last M3 had all sort of stickies on the windshield with instructions, disclaimers, and limitations on RPM.
Is it a plot to actually diminish the pereformance and longevity of their vehicles? It makes no sense at all to me.
I am with PHUD on this one. Old Wives Tales and pseudo-science by an unknown, uncredentialed Internet guy is not what I would base my engine run-in upon, nor in fact, did I.
Racers rebuild their engines so much, that inference from their practices are completely insignificant.
Honda has a pretty good experience designing engines that deliver - as i recall, they make more engijnes than anyone else in the world.
And they have it wrong?
Is it a plot to actually diminish the pereformance and longevity of their vehicles? It makes no sense at all to me.
I am with PHUD on this one. Old Wives Tales and pseudo-science by an unknown, uncredentialed Internet guy is not what I would base my engine run-in upon, nor in fact, did I.
Racers rebuild their engines so much, that inference from their practices are completely insignificant.
Honda has a pretty good experience designing engines that deliver - as i recall, they make more engijnes than anyone else in the world.
And they have it wrong?
they reco those break in periods (mfg) not just for the engines sake, but to seat everyother metal to metal part on the car, clutch/brakes/diff/synchros etc etc get my drift.
breaking in the motor hard wont hurt a thing, if IF it does, it will be such a small portion of time off the engines life, you wont still own the car to notice it. say you break it in like a granny, cause you want 200k out of it, well, its likely the rings wont be seated 100%, whereas if you rail it and help the rings seat fully while its young, youll prob see alot more power out of it. not probably, i personally would say 110%. ive always broken my motors in the way i plan on driving the car. and never had a single failure. so take it as you will, i guess im on the mototune guys side. lates



23 pounds of boost?
or 23 inches of mercury?




