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Old Sep 20, 2006 | 04:29 AM
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I'd like to share my sad experience with you.

Let's talk about the car itself.

4/2001 Honda S2000
German car
90.000km
Oil Shell 10W-60 Helix Racing Synthetic (oil change 2 weeks ago)
100 octane Shell VPower
tuning:
camshafts Dr. Schrick
Exhaust Spoon N1
Intake AEM V2
4.77 Diff

Engine stopped immedeatly after 300 km on the german highway.
There was definitly no miss shift.
I didn't drive top speed with that short Diff, but i accelerated a lot till 9000/min.
On a first view there were no exhaust valves visible in the head on the 4. zylinder.
So they both made their way down to piston and stopped the engine.
I had my car several times on a dyno and the air/fuel ratio was perfect balanced.
My last idea was to exchange the ecu with a version 2003 ecu from an accidental car. The car felt really strong after that change, but only for 400km............
Could be that this was a pure coincidence, but may be it was not.
I was on the way to a dyno to measure with some S2000.

Walter

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Old Sep 20, 2006 | 04:38 AM
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geez, how do you make it out with 4.77's on the autobahn??? Your A/F might have been a bit too lean at the higher rpm range with the 03 ECU, also why are you running 10w-60?
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Old Sep 20, 2006 | 04:57 AM
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How long ago did you install the camshafts?
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Old Sep 20, 2006 | 05:17 AM
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I'll bet this isn't an ECU issue at all. Sounds like a purely mechanical issue with the retainers/keepers letting go. I don't know those cams but, some cams are too aggressive for stock valvetrain hardware.

So, I'd be looking at the cams and cam installation.
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Old Sep 20, 2006 | 05:48 AM
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First : I'm sorry to hear about your engine

Why did you use 10W-60 oil?
At operating temp that oil has a (kinematic) viscosity that is at least twice as much as any xxW-30 oil.
IMO the F20C wasn't designed to use that oil.
It may have been to hard for the oil pump to get the flow you NEED at 9000 rpm.

What was different about the Dr. Schrick cams?
Did you use the OEM valves & springs & retainers?
If valves "go missing" then that is your first point to look for a fault.

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Old Sep 20, 2006 | 07:28 AM
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It sounds like your cam was too aggressive for the stock valvetrain which fatigued the retainers which let go of the valves. Were you running just an aftermarket exhaust cam or both?
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Old Sep 20, 2006 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SpitfireS,Sep 20 2006, 07:48 AM
Why did you use 10W-60 oil?
At operating temp that oil has a (kinematic) viscosity that is at least twice as much as any xxW-30 oil.
IMO the F20C wasn't designed to use that oil.
It may have been to hard for the oil pump to get the flow you NEED at 9000 rpm.

What was different about the Dr. Schrick cams?
I'm focusing on these two things. We've got these little oiljet squirters under each piston. With that thick of an oil, the spray patterns on those oiljets will like crap. You probably didn't get the required lubrication AND cooling that the pistons and cylinders needed.
Maybe those cams shoved your valves into the pistons more easily.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by iDomN8U,Sep 20 2006, 01:57 PM
How long ago did you install the camshafts?
My tuner installed the camshafts 3 years ago.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 01:55 AM
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[QUOTE=xviper,Sep 21 2006, 12:23 AM]I'm focusing on these two things.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by walter_s,Sep 22 2006, 10:55 AM
If you are interested i can post some dynos, with and without these camshafts.
yes, please!
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