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For me, I didn't feel that it did anything on another vehicle that I had it installed on before but I still plan to install these collars that I have already purchased 3 years ago for the S2K.......
People also have totally different sensitiveness.
On Motorcycles, some notice a change of one click in damping setting out of 30 clicks, while others would not notice a 20 clicks change.
This makes comparisons of suspension tuning, changes, adjusting and tweaks in internet forums a little bit... difficult.
People also have totally different sensitiveness.
On Motorcycles, some notice a change of one click in damping setting out of 30 clicks, while others would not notice a 20 clicks change.
I raced dirt bikes. Those have a bazillion adjustments for the chassis and suspension. Many riders were constantly tweaking and twirling knobs. I left them at OEM stock settings and adjusted my riding style.
This seems to have the least problems in the long run. Many of the tweakers had reliability issues and were constantly fixing their bikes.
Do much…yes they can center the subframe. Anyone good with a wrench can also center the subframe.
As far as solving a problem, they solve nothing. To say they “improve” something would suggest that the subframe is moving back and forth.
If that were the case, there would be a massive thud when the subframe moves, and it would be blatantly obvious. 10x more obvious than, say, a loose a-arm bolt.
Anyone who has a shifting subframe (which in my estimation is no one) simply needs to learn how the properly tighten the bolts.
Subframe collars will also not fit in all cars. There a small variations that prevent that in some cars.
There have been about 3 cars so far that they would not fit, due to subframe/mainframe variation. They become a long fight, and a waste of time. I no longer install them.
I'm sensitive in every way
But I can't say I felt any real difference after installing the subframe collars. Whether they make that difference or not is (maybe) not worth arguing, but the reason why they should make a difference is pretty logical, IMO.
I did it because I wanted my subframe centered without guessing
And my subframe had shifted after a bad "off" at a track. I suspect it may have shifted on a big spin at said track as well. I do use a torque wrench and the frames were tight before I had the problem.
One of the incidents was big enough to need replacement of a spindle and repair of the alignment tabs.
I was sick of finding out my subframe was off to one side when the car was already on the alignment rack. Sure, I could take it home and center it...but dammit...
Alignments are one of the only things I don't DIY. So...spending $200 on subframe collars one time was worth it for me.
The obvious downside here is that the subframe now has nowhere to go. So instead of shifting, it will bend if I hit something hard enough. So...what I think I would tell the kids is to not do it if they plan to crash the car.
I'm surprised you found cars that they wouldn't fit onto. Maybe those subframes were bent? Or were they cars who already had collars installed, and then someone decided to switch subframes?
Last edited by B serious; Oct 25, 2024 at 01:48 PM.
