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Old Aug 16, 2005 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by cthree,Aug 16 2005, 01:12 AM
I'm pretty sure the pipe that sticks out of your stock exhaust at a 90 deg angle (short 8-10" thing with a cap on the end) is designed to kill that drone. Drone is a natural feature of the exhaust harmonics. None of the aftermarket exhausts have this little pipe thing and as a result they all drone. The HKS has a separate resonation chamber located between the mufflers which probably explains why it doesn't drone and also explains why it's so damn heavy.
aka helmholtz resonator
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Old Aug 17, 2005 | 03:21 PM
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Exhaust Drone

Drone in the exhaust is due to the engine driving the exhaust system
at its resonant frequency. You can't get rid of it, any length of pipe has
a natural frequency, but you can change the frequency (RPM) it happens at.
Stock exhaust systems are tuned to put the resonant frequencies outside the
normal RPM range the engine is run in. Sometimes they add resonators for
this purpose. To raise the resonant frequency of a system, shorten its
length. To do this, you can try tail pipes that exit by the wheel (like
GN's have), or you can try a muffler with a shorter internal flow path. If
you have a true dual system, you can change the natural frequency of the
system dramatically by adding a balance tube. If you can't shorten the
system, then you can add slightly less than one wavelength of pipe. This
will also raise the resonant frequency of the system. The wavelength in a
single converter system (not true dual) is a little less than three feet at
3000 RPM. Shortening the system by a foot or so will move a resonance at
2000 RPM to about 3000 RPM.
To move a resonance, calculate the wavelength at the RPM that gives
the resonance you want to move. Then calculate the wavelength at the RPM
you would rather it be at. The difference is the length of pipe you need to
add or delete. Add to lower the RPM, delete to raise it. If you want to
raise it but you can't cut any pipe out, then add one wavelength of pipe
minus the amount you calculated. This will have the same affect. If you
add or subtract a multiple of a wavelength exactly, you will not change the
resonant RPM.


Wavelength = 1100 X 60 X 1/RPM X 1/4 X 1/2

or

Wavelength = 8250 / RPM

Wavelength = standing wavelength
1100 = speed of sound in air in feet per second
60 = convert RPM to Revs per second
RPM = RPM
1/4 = four cylender firings per revolution (make this 1/2 for "true
dual")
1/2 = standing wavelength is half the wavelength of a "normal" wave


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Old Aug 17, 2005 | 06:57 PM
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That's some good info there, well i have other news, i just made a custom catback exhaust with dual dynomax mufflers and the stock tips, no resonator or holtsmans sticking out 90 degreepipe thing. The car sounds like i have two subwoofers as mufflers, is not the typical flat hallow metallic sound the s2k has. Well i hate it, i'm going to remove those mufflers and add a resonator in the mean time while my two tanaba hypers get here to get installed. When driving with the top down it just sounds like im driving a v8 without cams, when the top up it feels like im driving a v12 and i'm inside a club. I honestly have to speak loud in order to hear myself.
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Old Aug 18, 2005 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cthree,Aug 15 2005, 04:12 PM
None of the aftermarket exhausts have this little pipe thing and as a result they all drone.
The Amuse is available with the "little pipe thing" and I have seen another exhaust that has it as well but the name escapes me at the moment.
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Old Aug 18, 2005 | 06:45 PM
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lol the stock exhaust looks huge. I guess you get what you pay for, amuse and others know really well what they're doing so they stick that pipe in.
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Old Aug 18, 2005 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RoaringVtec,Aug 18 2005, 07:45 PM
lol the stock exhaust looks huge. I guess you get what you pay for, amuse and others know really well what they're doing so they stick that pipe in.
Yes it is. Looks like two trash cans stuck on the end of a pipe.
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Old Aug 18, 2005 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dead-bird,Aug 19 2005, 02:30 AM
The Amuse is available with the "little pipe thing" and I have seen another exhaust that has it as well but the name escapes me at the moment.
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Old Aug 19, 2005 | 06:39 AM
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Old Aug 21, 2005 | 07:11 AM
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I replaced my exhaust with a spoon N1 and a megan racing test pipe. I have almost no drone in the midrange now. The cat seemed to be the source of my drone with just the catback installed.
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