Honda oil filter cap wrench fail?
12-31-2016, 05:36 PM
#11
Strap wrench will solve all your problems, no matter how tight that filter is on there, I've never had a problem removing it with a strap wrench.
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Last edited by Slowcrash_101; 12-31-2016 at 05:41 PM.
12-31-2016, 07:53 PM
#12
yup, filter pliers are the answer.
I've used the OE Cap/Socket type and the strap type and both can slip very easily. Strap types only work if you buy the perfectly sized strap, and the "window" for fitment is usually less than an inch, so they're pretty useless if you work on many different cars.
Filter pliers on the other hand fit the widest variety of filters and the grip strength is directly related to how hard you can grip the pliers....and since the pliers have teeth on them, they get even the hardest filters off. The ONLY downside is if you have the combination of a hard to get off filter and you want to reuse the filter for some reason....because you may damage the filter having to grip the teeth into the filter. BUT 9.9/10 times you will be throwing away the filter so damaging the filter won't be an issue. https://www.amazon.com/TEKTON-5866-12-Inch-Filter-Pliers/dp/B000NPR33O/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1483245943&sr= 1-1&keywords=filter+plier
Another option is buying the type of filters that have a hex head on the end of it so you can use a socket wrench...but of course you are limited to the brands that sell these types of filters. (K&N sells some for example).
I've used the OE Cap/Socket type and the strap type and both can slip very easily. Strap types only work if you buy the perfectly sized strap, and the "window" for fitment is usually less than an inch, so they're pretty useless if you work on many different cars.
Filter pliers on the other hand fit the widest variety of filters and the grip strength is directly related to how hard you can grip the pliers....and since the pliers have teeth on them, they get even the hardest filters off. The ONLY downside is if you have the combination of a hard to get off filter and you want to reuse the filter for some reason....because you may damage the filter having to grip the teeth into the filter. BUT 9.9/10 times you will be throwing away the filter so damaging the filter won't be an issue. https://www.amazon.com/TEKTON-5866-12-Inch-Filter-Pliers/dp/B000NPR33O/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1483245943&sr= 1-1&keywords=filter+plier
Another option is buying the type of filters that have a hex head on the end of it so you can use a socket wrench...but of course you are limited to the brands that sell these types of filters. (K&N sells some for example).
12-31-2016, 10:30 PM
#13
yup, filter pliers are the answer.
I've used the OE Cap/Socket type and the strap type and both can slip very easily. Strap types only work if you buy the perfectly sized strap, and the "window" for fitment is usually less than an inch, so they're pretty useless if you work on many different cars.
Filter pliers on the other hand fit the widest variety of filters and the grip strength is directly related to how hard you can grip the pliers....and since the pliers have teeth on them, they get even the hardest filters off. The ONLY downside is if you have the combination of a hard to get off filter and you want to reuse the filter for some reason....because you may damage the filter having to grip the teeth into the filter. BUT 9.9/10 times you will be throwing away the filter so damaging the filter won't be an issue. https://www.amazon.com/TEKTON-5866-12-Inch-Filter-Pliers/dp/B000NPR33O/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1483245943&sr= 1-1&keywords=filter+plier
Another option is buying the type of filters that have a hex head on the end of it so you can use a socket wrench...but of course you are limited to the brands that sell these types of filters. (K&N sells some for example).
I've used the OE Cap/Socket type and the strap type and both can slip very easily. Strap types only work if you buy the perfectly sized strap, and the "window" for fitment is usually less than an inch, so they're pretty useless if you work on many different cars.
Filter pliers on the other hand fit the widest variety of filters and the grip strength is directly related to how hard you can grip the pliers....and since the pliers have teeth on them, they get even the hardest filters off. The ONLY downside is if you have the combination of a hard to get off filter and you want to reuse the filter for some reason....because you may damage the filter having to grip the teeth into the filter. BUT 9.9/10 times you will be throwing away the filter so damaging the filter won't be an issue. https://www.amazon.com/TEKTON-5866-12-Inch-Filter-Pliers/dp/B000NPR33O/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1483245943&sr= 1-1&keywords=filter+plier
Another option is buying the type of filters that have a hex head on the end of it so you can use a socket wrench...but of course you are limited to the brands that sell these types of filters. (K&N sells some for example).
01-04-2017, 07:16 AM
#14
I've never used a tool to help tighten a filter on the s2000 for fear of putting it on too tight, i've always tightened my filters by hand and never had a filter come off in 100k miles of street driving. If i tracked, i'd use one of those filter stoppers anyway so I never found a use for anything but filter pliers. That isn't to say that there's never a use for anything else but pliers....i just don't personally use them on the S since the filter is really easy to get to and grip, even with two hands. I actually have to use a specialized cap filter for my wife's IS350 and i buy K&N socket filters for my Aunt's RX300 since it's pretty impossible to get to the filter with any pliers or straps.
01-04-2017, 08:06 AM
#15
The oem filter was designed to be torqued 7/8's of a turn after initial contact. It is a different gasket design. Treating them like a normal filter, and just tightening by hand, is risky. There have been engine fires, and lost engines due to lost oil pressure.
Just because it hasn't happened to you in 100k miles doesn't prove it won't happen tomorrow. You are taking a needless risk.
If you closed your eyes every time you crossed the street, and never got hit in 10 years of doing this, would you conclude this activity is safe?
Just because it hasn't happened to you in 100k miles doesn't prove it won't happen tomorrow. You are taking a needless risk.
If you closed your eyes every time you crossed the street, and never got hit in 10 years of doing this, would you conclude this activity is safe?
01-04-2017, 08:34 AM
#16
The oem filter was designed to be torqued 7/8's of a turn after initial contact. It is a different gasket design. Treating them like a normal filter, and just tightening by hand, is risky. There have been engine fires, and lost engines due to lost oil pressure.
Just because it hasn't happened to you in 100k miles doesn't prove it won't happen tomorrow. You are taking a needless risk.
If you closed your eyes every time you crossed the street, and never got hit in 10 years of doing this, would you conclude this activity is safe?
Just because it hasn't happened to you in 100k miles doesn't prove it won't happen tomorrow. You are taking a needless risk.
If you closed your eyes every time you crossed the street, and never got hit in 10 years of doing this, would you conclude this activity is safe?
The majority of S2k owners in history tighten their filters by hand and the majority have not had their filters come off. Maybe you should take the time to think that it's possible to tighten the filter enough with your hands. We're not talking about the axle nut here. This is an oil filter and tightening it 7/8 a turn after contact doesn't take Hercules.
01-04-2017, 08:38 AM
#17
I can't get it on more than 6 by hand and that's struggling. But the strap wrench is so cheap, and it fits so nicely, and does the job so efficiently. I'm lazy but my laziness makes me be meticulous with the engine, because I rather work and maintain it than have to swap it out, which is even more work.
01-04-2017, 08:43 AM
#18
Thread Starter
I can't get it on more than 6 by hand and that's struggling. But the strap wrench is so cheap, and it fits so nicely, and does the job so efficiently. I'm lazy but my laziness makes me be meticulous with the engine, because I rather work and maintain it than have to swap it out, which is even more work.
We should get a few gym rats or meatheads together, guys who can really make a dent in this (as opposed to me), and make a video and measure and see how much torque is actually possible with bare-hands alone. I still do not believe 7/8 turn is possible barehand
01-04-2017, 08:47 AM
#19
I can't get it on more than 6 by hand and that's struggling. But the strap wrench is so cheap, and it fits so nicely, and does the job so efficiently. I'm lazy but my laziness makes me be meticulous with the engine, because I rather work and maintain it than have to swap it out, which is even more work.
Personally the way i do it is i always use rubber gloves when doing oil changes and the filter is the last thing i do before filling the engine with oil. I make it a point to not get any oil on the exterior housing of the filter and so when it comes time to tighten it, i take off my gloves and my slightly sweaty/clammy hands have ample grip to then tighten it, especially with two hands. Most people should be capable to do it by hand, they just either don't have the grip strength (due to slippage) or don't realize "initial contact" actually happened earlier than they thought.
01-04-2017, 09:01 AM
#20
i'm not discouraging the use of the strap to tighten it, i'm just saying that i never needed it. If that offends some people around here, then so be it.
Personally the way i do it is i always use rubber gloves when doing oil changes and the filter is the last thing i do before filling the engine with oil. I make it a point to not get any oil on the exterior housing of the filter and so when it comes time to tighten it, i take off my gloves and my slightly sweaty/clammy hands have ample grip to then tighten it, especially with two hands. Most people should be capable to do it by hand, they just either don't have the grip strength (due to slippage) or don't realize "initial contact" actually happened earlier than they thought.
Personally the way i do it is i always use rubber gloves when doing oil changes and the filter is the last thing i do before filling the engine with oil. I make it a point to not get any oil on the exterior housing of the filter and so when it comes time to tighten it, i take off my gloves and my slightly sweaty/clammy hands have ample grip to then tighten it, especially with two hands. Most people should be capable to do it by hand, they just either don't have the grip strength (due to slippage) or don't realize "initial contact" actually happened earlier than they thought.
I have tried it and I just can't get enough power behind it to get it to the 7/8th's of a turn point, so I am set on using the over-priced tool that I have. I don't have the grip strength, there I admitted it.