Lowered and in a bad situation
please take time to read and all feedback is greatly apreciated,
i purchased my s about 5 months ago from carmax
2004 AP2
64k miles
ap1 wheels
205/50/16 front
225/50/16 rear tire sizes
lowered on s-tech springs done at P TUNING
i waited 2 weeks to settle and went back to P TUNING for alignment
i was told my bolts are seized up and cannot adjust it
i was told i need to replace the Following-
-Left Right camber/toe adjuster bolts (2)
-Right Rear camber/toe adjuster bolts (2) 4 total for Rear
-Right Front camber Adjuster bolt
-Right Front caster adjuster bolt/adjuster
in order to do the alignment.
-the car shakes at about 70mph till about 80 and then stops
-P TUNING'S ALIGNMENT DETAILS OF WHAT I HAVE NOW-
(FRONT CASTER)
BEFORE
-LEFT=6.6
-RIGHT=7.2
AFTER
-LEFT=6.5
-RIGHT-6.4
(FRONT CAMBER)
BEFORE
-LEFT=-0.7
-RIGHT=-0.6
AFTER
-LEFT=-0.8
-RIGHT=-0.6
(FRONT TOE)
BEFORE
-LEFT=-0.30
-RIGHT=-0.30
AFTER
-LEFT=0.00
-RIGHT=0.00
(REAR CAMBER)
BEFORE
-LEFT=-2.5
-RIGHT=-2.2
AFTER
-LEFT=-2.3
-RIGHT=-2.1
(REAR TOE)
BEFORE
-LEFT=0.20
-RIGHT=-0.10
AFTER
-LEFT=0.05
-RIGHT=-0.15
THRUST ANGLE
-INITIAL=0.2
-FINAL=0.1
-FRONT RIDE HEIGHT=7.6"
-REAR RIDE HEIGHT=8.7"
i tried to do my alignment at my work sears auto center with 3 different techs at 3 different days,
-1st technician said my camber is too far out to adjust
-2nd technician said i need a camber kit
-3rd technician said i need to replace my RR and LR Lower Control Arm bushings(eccetrics) and suggested Replace Lower Control Arm whole assemblys
I take the car back to carmax and tried and fight my way for new parts and also told them they sold me a car with the wrong tire sizes when im suposed to have Ap2 sizes, they void my suspension park of my extended warranty because i lowered the car and the techs were a pain in the ass. carmax offeres to order me ap2 wheels and tires for free and i can swap em out with my ap1 wheels and tires-i agreed to that
so right now im pretty much stuck on what to do
-go to dealer and find out what i really need?
-replace my whole lower control arm assemblys?
-new bushings?
-camber kit?
what else?
PLEASE any feedback would be great
i purchased my s about 5 months ago from carmax
2004 AP2
64k miles
ap1 wheels
205/50/16 front
225/50/16 rear tire sizes
lowered on s-tech springs done at P TUNING
i waited 2 weeks to settle and went back to P TUNING for alignment
i was told my bolts are seized up and cannot adjust it
i was told i need to replace the Following-
-Left Right camber/toe adjuster bolts (2)
-Right Rear camber/toe adjuster bolts (2) 4 total for Rear
-Right Front camber Adjuster bolt
-Right Front caster adjuster bolt/adjuster
in order to do the alignment.
-the car shakes at about 70mph till about 80 and then stops
-P TUNING'S ALIGNMENT DETAILS OF WHAT I HAVE NOW-
(FRONT CASTER)
BEFORE
-LEFT=6.6
-RIGHT=7.2
AFTER
-LEFT=6.5
-RIGHT-6.4
(FRONT CAMBER)
BEFORE
-LEFT=-0.7
-RIGHT=-0.6
AFTER
-LEFT=-0.8
-RIGHT=-0.6
(FRONT TOE)
BEFORE
-LEFT=-0.30
-RIGHT=-0.30
AFTER
-LEFT=0.00
-RIGHT=0.00
(REAR CAMBER)
BEFORE
-LEFT=-2.5
-RIGHT=-2.2
AFTER
-LEFT=-2.3
-RIGHT=-2.1
(REAR TOE)
BEFORE
-LEFT=0.20
-RIGHT=-0.10
AFTER
-LEFT=0.05
-RIGHT=-0.15
THRUST ANGLE
-INITIAL=0.2
-FINAL=0.1
-FRONT RIDE HEIGHT=7.6"
-REAR RIDE HEIGHT=8.7"
i tried to do my alignment at my work sears auto center with 3 different techs at 3 different days,
-1st technician said my camber is too far out to adjust
-2nd technician said i need a camber kit
-3rd technician said i need to replace my RR and LR Lower Control Arm bushings(eccetrics) and suggested Replace Lower Control Arm whole assemblys
I take the car back to carmax and tried and fight my way for new parts and also told them they sold me a car with the wrong tire sizes when im suposed to have Ap2 sizes, they void my suspension park of my extended warranty because i lowered the car and the techs were a pain in the ass. carmax offeres to order me ap2 wheels and tires for free and i can swap em out with my ap1 wheels and tires-i agreed to that
so right now im pretty much stuck on what to do
-go to dealer and find out what i really need?
-replace my whole lower control arm assemblys?
-new bushings?
-camber kit?
what else?
PLEASE any feedback would be great
yea but i want to run oem specs until i have a set of more agressive sizes and offsets, well the car never shaked until it was lowered at that speed, also when i put ap2 sizes on there will it change the alignment
What do you have in mind by "OEM specs?" if you go by the UK alignment specs, which is a pretty nice setup, your car is in the ballpark (camber: -1*F & -2*R, 6*+ caster, no toe F, slight toe-in R)
I don't see anything especially wrong with the alignment other than the right rear toe, that is something I would get worked on ASAP. Toe out in the rear is something you do NOT want, especially for a street car.
Don't worry about the camber, you'd probably never even see the wear with -2* unless the car does nothing but straight shots on the highway its whole life. Excessive toe is what kills tires.
I don't see anything especially wrong with the alignment other than the right rear toe, that is something I would get worked on ASAP. Toe out in the rear is something you do NOT want, especially for a street car.
Don't worry about the camber, you'd probably never even see the wear with -2* unless the car does nothing but straight shots on the highway its whole life. Excessive toe is what kills tires.
I would go with the 1st and 2nd tech I am lowered to far to adjust my camber to the dregree I should be at with my factory accentric cams as well. I did a alignment last week on my car and got every thing into spec but rear camber. I am going to have to buy a upper camber adjustment to fix my problem. No biggy
Your alignment is pretty good for being lowered. It is not very aggressive at all. And going to the AP2 tire sizes is not going to be a problem.
It's troubling that your camber adjusting bolts are freezing up...that's not uncommon as the cars are getting older and for those that might see salt. They can be a pain to change...as are the bushings.
The vibration may be due to something else...like tire balance.
It's troubling that your camber adjusting bolts are freezing up...that's not uncommon as the cars are getting older and for those that might see salt. They can be a pain to change...as are the bushings.
The vibration may be due to something else...like tire balance.
LOL why you so worried you camber is strait you should be happy.... Mines fully adjusted with OEM points i could only get camber to 2.6 LOLOLOL.
don't mind to much because i got a nice hookup on tires

Vibrations shouldn't have much to do with alignment it's probably what ^^^^^ said you need you tires balanced.
Any anti-bumpsteer kit will also allow you to further adjust camber in the rear.
don't mind to much because i got a nice hookup on tires

Vibrations shouldn't have much to do with alignment it's probably what ^^^^^ said you need you tires balanced.
Any anti-bumpsteer kit will also allow you to further adjust camber in the rear.
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Originally Posted by R1_Pilot,Mar 8 2009, 07:29 PM
I am not sure what your problem is, but your rear camber is not that bad.
I would be more worried about your rear toe settings.
Also the car shaking is not due to alignment, get your wheels balanced.
J
I would be more worried about your rear toe settings.
Also the car shaking is not due to alignment, get your wheels balanced.
J
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