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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 06:07 PM
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please take time to read and all feedback is greatly apreciated,
i purchased my s about 5 months ago from carmax

2004 AP2
64k miles
ap1 wheels
205/50/16 front
225/50/16 rear tire sizes
lowered on s-tech springs done at P TUNING
i waited 2 weeks to settle and went back to P TUNING for alignment
i was told my bolts are seized up and cannot adjust it
i was told i need to replace the Following-
-Left Right camber/toe adjuster bolts (2)
-Right Rear camber/toe adjuster bolts (2) 4 total for Rear
-Right Front camber Adjuster bolt
-Right Front caster adjuster bolt/adjuster
in order to do the alignment.
-the car shakes at about 70mph till about 80 and then stops

-P TUNING'S ALIGNMENT DETAILS OF WHAT I HAVE NOW-
(FRONT CASTER)
BEFORE
-LEFT=6.6
-RIGHT=7.2

AFTER
-LEFT=6.5
-RIGHT-6.4

(FRONT CAMBER)
BEFORE
-LEFT=-0.7
-RIGHT=-0.6

AFTER
-LEFT=-0.8
-RIGHT=-0.6

(FRONT TOE)
BEFORE
-LEFT=-0.30
-RIGHT=-0.30

AFTER
-LEFT=0.00
-RIGHT=0.00

(REAR CAMBER)
BEFORE
-LEFT=-2.5
-RIGHT=-2.2

AFTER
-LEFT=-2.3
-RIGHT=-2.1

(REAR TOE)
BEFORE
-LEFT=0.20
-RIGHT=-0.10

AFTER
-LEFT=0.05
-RIGHT=-0.15

THRUST ANGLE
-INITIAL=0.2
-FINAL=0.1

-FRONT RIDE HEIGHT=7.6"
-REAR RIDE HEIGHT=8.7"

i tried to do my alignment at my work sears auto center with 3 different techs at 3 different days,
-1st technician said my camber is too far out to adjust
-2nd technician said i need a camber kit
-3rd technician said i need to replace my RR and LR Lower Control Arm bushings(eccetrics) and suggested Replace Lower Control Arm whole assemblys

I take the car back to carmax and tried and fight my way for new parts and also told them they sold me a car with the wrong tire sizes when im suposed to have Ap2 sizes, they void my suspension park of my extended warranty because i lowered the car and the techs were a pain in the ass. carmax offeres to order me ap2 wheels and tires for free and i can swap em out with my ap1 wheels and tires-i agreed to that

so right now im pretty much stuck on what to do
-go to dealer and find out what i really need?
-replace my whole lower control arm assemblys?
-new bushings?
-camber kit?
what else?

PLEASE any feedback would be great
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 07:29 PM
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I am not sure what your problem is, but your rear camber is not that bad.

I would be more worried about your rear toe settings.

Also the car shaking is not due to alignment, get your wheels balanced.

J
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 08:47 PM
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yea but i want to run oem specs until i have a set of more agressive sizes and offsets, well the car never shaked until it was lowered at that speed, also when i put ap2 sizes on there will it change the alignment
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 09:12 PM
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What do you have in mind by "OEM specs?" if you go by the UK alignment specs, which is a pretty nice setup, your car is in the ballpark (camber: -1*F & -2*R, 6*+ caster, no toe F, slight toe-in R)

I don't see anything especially wrong with the alignment other than the right rear toe, that is something I would get worked on ASAP. Toe out in the rear is something you do NOT want, especially for a street car.

Don't worry about the camber, you'd probably never even see the wear with -2* unless the car does nothing but straight shots on the highway its whole life. Excessive toe is what kills tires.
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 12:41 PM
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I would go with the 1st and 2nd tech I am lowered to far to adjust my camber to the dregree I should be at with my factory accentric cams as well. I did a alignment last week on my car and got every thing into spec but rear camber. I am going to have to buy a upper camber adjustment to fix my problem. No biggy
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 01:19 PM
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Your alignment is pretty good for being lowered. It is not very aggressive at all. And going to the AP2 tire sizes is not going to be a problem.

It's troubling that your camber adjusting bolts are freezing up...that's not uncommon as the cars are getting older and for those that might see salt. They can be a pain to change...as are the bushings.

The vibration may be due to something else...like tire balance.
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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 05:44 AM
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LOL why you so worried you camber is strait you should be happy.... Mines fully adjusted with OEM points i could only get camber to 2.6 LOLOLOL.
don't mind to much because i got a nice hookup on tires
Vibrations shouldn't have much to do with alignment it's probably what ^^^^^ said you need you tires balanced.
Any anti-bumpsteer kit will also allow you to further adjust camber in the rear.
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by R1_Pilot,Mar 8 2009, 07:29 PM
I am not sure what your problem is, but your rear camber is not that bad.

I would be more worried about your rear toe settings.

Also the car shaking is not due to alignment, get your wheels balanced.

J
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