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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 06:49 AM
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Cut holes at the front bumper where some put ek foglights and route duct to it, that way you know you are getting extra cold airs to ur intake.
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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by triddle,Sep 16 2010, 09:30 PM
I rarely talk about my CAI as a "cold air intake" - I usually call it my engine loudener. Food for thought.
think whatever you like - with AEM v2 IAT reading consistently shows 10-15 degr less than with stock air box.
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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by w00t692,Sep 16 2010, 10:01 AM
Honestly, the stock intake is a piece of heatsoaking shit.

That is my interpretation of it.
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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by w00t692,Sep 16 2010, 12:23 PM
The box absorbs a lot of heat when you are at a standstill. I wouldn't call this a good design. When you are not moving, there is only engine bay temperature air to be sucked in up front...

Most newer cars don't have anything designed like this, as it doesn't work well unless you are moving all the time. If the stock boxes opening went over the top of the radiator and then down and fanned out to that area in the bumper, it would be VASTLY superior to how it is now.

And yes.... i understand there is stuff designed like this to add on to the stock box.
What does it matter if your getting engine bay temperature air when your not moving? You need the extra 5 hp when at a stand still? You dont need Max hp for stop and go traffic. The stock airbox gets cool air when the car needs it: when your carving your favorite backroad or at the track. If you are drag racing, you might want lower air temps at launch but Honda did not design this (or any other) car for drag racing.
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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 10:36 AM
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The term "cold air intake" is for marketing and marketing only. 90% of the gains are due to resonance of the longer pipe, the other 10% is due to the lower IAT's. Expect 10-20* lower IAT's while cruising.

The OEM intake is a joke. The pipe is way to short to make any decent power. Even the FIPK pipe is longer.
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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by realblag,Sep 18 2010, 09:31 AM
What does it matter if your getting engine bay temperature air when your not moving? You need the extra 5 hp when at a stand still? You dont need Max hp for stop and go traffic. The stock airbox gets cool air when the car needs it: when your carving your favorite backroad or at the track. If you are drag racing, you might want lower air temps at launch but Honda did not design this (or any other) car for drag racing.
What does it matter? The ignition timing is pulled as intake temperatures go up. This is one of the hottest running motors ever made, so an intake that sits up front and soaks up engine bay temps kind of sucks when you're driving around in traffic. It feels like trying to do a 2nd gear start when it gets really hot.
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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by H22toF20,Sep 18 2010, 10:36 AM
The term "cold air intake" is for marketing and marketing only. 90% of the gains are due to resonance of the longer pipe, the other 10% is due to the lower IAT's. Expect 10-20* lower IAT's while cruising.

The OEM intake is a joke. The pipe is way to short to make any decent power. Even the FIPK pipe is longer.
While resonance helps a little with headers, the improvement will be at specific rpm points - the reinforcing resonance frequencies. One of the reasons it works is that the resonance is tuned for each cylinder - the length of the header pipe before the collector.

With the intake, I can't see how a longer, single intake can provide any resonance boost. Resonance boost would seem to be impossible since the four intakes are combined before the benefit of resonance would be realized. What am I missing?

And as far as "heat soak" goes, the thermal capacity of the plastic intake box is so small that I can't see a significant effect once you are much past idle. Here again, can someone explain these claims.

While Honda would have had some production cost constraints, they put a lot of design thought and effort into the S2000 and it doesn't seem that anything was an afterthought. As for the aftermarket vendors, while many of them make quality products, their incentive is to convince potential buyers that they actually provide something extra, whether performance, sound, or whatever.

I'm just skeptical of the aftermarket snake oil that's out there. Recall the "super spark plugs" or "gasoline ionizers" or any number of fuel economy or performance hacks that have been sold for decades. Fortunately, most of the S2000 aftermarket stuff is not in the same class as this snake oil, but Honda has set a fairly high bar with the S2000 design.

Of course, if you pump more air into the engine, you will get more performance. I just can't imagine that a couple of holes in an air box and a couple of hoses would do very much to an already optimized design.

Just my $0.02 worth.
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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by idea-catalyst,Sep 18 2010, 11:25 AM
While resonance helps a little with headers, the improvement will be at specific rpm points - the reinforcing resonance frequencies. One of the reasons it works is that the resonance is tuned for each cylinder - the length of the header pipe before the collector.

With the intake, I can't see how a longer, single intake can provide any resonance boost. Resonance boost would seem to be impossible since the four intakes are combined before the benefit of resonance would be realized. What am I missing?

And as far as "heat soak" goes, the thermal capacity of the plastic intake box is so small that I can't see a significant effect once you are much past idle. Here again, can someone explain these claims.

While Honda would have had some production cost constraints, they put a lot of design thought and effort into the S2000 and it doesn't seem that anything was an afterthought. As for the aftermarket vendors, while many of them make quality products, their incentive is to convince potential buyers that they actually provide something extra, whether performance, sound, or whatever.

I'm just skeptical of the aftermarket snake oil that's out there. Recall the "super spark plugs" or "gasoline ionizers" or any number of fuel economy or performance hacks that have been sold for decades. Fortunately, most of the S2000 aftermarket stuff is not in the same class as this snake oil, but Honda has set a fairly high bar with the S2000 design.

Of course, if you pump more air into the engine, you will get more performance. I just can't imagine that a couple of holes in an air box and a couple of hoses would do very much to an already optimized design.

Just my $0.02 worth.
I can't argue with that logic. I also don't get some of these so called aftermarket "cold air" set-ups offering eye candy aluminum piping at the expense of discarding the minimal heat absorbing plastic intake.If there was so much to be gained in terms of performance for so little effort,the word is not out.
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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by idea-catalyst,Sep 18 2010, 09:25 PM
And as far as "heat soak" goes, the thermal capacity of the plastic intake box is so small that I can't see a significant effect once you are much past idle. Here again, can someone explain these claims.
even on cruize my Scangauge shows 10-15 degr Celcius drop comparing to stock intake.

i would love if somebody knowledgeble would explain what it does to engine performance.
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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 02:27 PM
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The other day I was curious about the temps of the intake box and filter after a casual drive. The box and filter were very warm especially the rear and top portions of the box closest to the engine.

Has anyone attempted anything to prevent the stock air box from getting so hot? possibly some heat deflection material covering the entire box?
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