Modified Stock Intake Box
Originally Posted by triddle,Sep 16 2010, 09:30 PM
I rarely talk about my CAI as a "cold air intake" - I usually call it my engine loudener. Food for thought.
Originally Posted by w00t692,Sep 16 2010, 12:23 PM
The box absorbs a lot of heat when you are at a standstill. I wouldn't call this a good design. When you are not moving, there is only engine bay temperature air to be sucked in up front...
Most newer cars don't have anything designed like this, as it doesn't work well unless you are moving all the time. If the stock boxes opening went over the top of the radiator and then down and fanned out to that area in the bumper, it would be VASTLY superior to how it is now.
And yes.... i understand there is stuff designed like this to add on to the stock box.
Most newer cars don't have anything designed like this, as it doesn't work well unless you are moving all the time. If the stock boxes opening went over the top of the radiator and then down and fanned out to that area in the bumper, it would be VASTLY superior to how it is now.
And yes.... i understand there is stuff designed like this to add on to the stock box.
The term "cold air intake" is for marketing and marketing only. 90% of the gains are due to resonance of the longer pipe, the other 10% is due to the lower IAT's. Expect 10-20* lower IAT's while cruising.
The OEM intake is a joke. The pipe is way to short to make any decent power. Even the FIPK pipe is longer.
The OEM intake is a joke. The pipe is way to short to make any decent power. Even the FIPK pipe is longer.
Originally Posted by realblag,Sep 18 2010, 09:31 AM
What does it matter if your getting engine bay temperature air when your not moving? You need the extra 5 hp when at a stand still? You dont need Max hp for stop and go traffic. The stock airbox gets cool air when the car needs it: when your carving your favorite backroad or at the track. If you are drag racing, you might want lower air temps at launch but Honda did not design this (or any other) car for drag racing.
Originally Posted by H22toF20,Sep 18 2010, 10:36 AM
The term "cold air intake" is for marketing and marketing only. 90% of the gains are due to resonance of the longer pipe, the other 10% is due to the lower IAT's. Expect 10-20* lower IAT's while cruising.
The OEM intake is a joke. The pipe is way to short to make any decent power. Even the FIPK pipe is longer.
The OEM intake is a joke. The pipe is way to short to make any decent power. Even the FIPK pipe is longer.
With the intake, I can't see how a longer, single intake can provide any resonance boost. Resonance boost would seem to be impossible since the four intakes are combined before the benefit of resonance would be realized. What am I missing?
And as far as "heat soak" goes, the thermal capacity of the plastic intake box is so small that I can't see a significant effect once you are much past idle. Here again, can someone explain these claims.
While Honda would have had some production cost constraints, they put a lot of design thought and effort into the S2000 and it doesn't seem that anything was an afterthought. As for the aftermarket vendors, while many of them make quality products, their incentive is to convince potential buyers that they actually provide something extra, whether performance, sound, or whatever.
I'm just skeptical of the aftermarket snake oil that's out there. Recall the "super spark plugs" or "gasoline ionizers" or any number of fuel economy or performance hacks that have been sold for decades. Fortunately, most of the S2000 aftermarket stuff is not in the same class as this snake oil, but Honda has set a fairly high bar with the S2000 design.
Of course, if you pump more air into the engine, you will get more performance. I just can't imagine that a couple of holes in an air box and a couple of hoses would do very much to an already optimized design.
Just my $0.02 worth.
Originally Posted by idea-catalyst,Sep 18 2010, 11:25 AM
While resonance helps a little with headers, the improvement will be at specific rpm points - the reinforcing resonance frequencies. One of the reasons it works is that the resonance is tuned for each cylinder - the length of the header pipe before the collector.
With the intake, I can't see how a longer, single intake can provide any resonance boost. Resonance boost would seem to be impossible since the four intakes are combined before the benefit of resonance would be realized. What am I missing?
And as far as "heat soak" goes, the thermal capacity of the plastic intake box is so small that I can't see a significant effect once you are much past idle. Here again, can someone explain these claims.
While Honda would have had some production cost constraints, they put a lot of design thought and effort into the S2000 and it doesn't seem that anything was an afterthought. As for the aftermarket vendors, while many of them make quality products, their incentive is to convince potential buyers that they actually provide something extra, whether performance, sound, or whatever.
I'm just skeptical of the aftermarket snake oil that's out there. Recall the "super spark plugs" or "gasoline ionizers" or any number of fuel economy or performance hacks that have been sold for decades. Fortunately, most of the S2000 aftermarket stuff is not in the same class as this snake oil, but Honda has set a fairly high bar with the S2000 design.
Of course, if you pump more air into the engine, you will get more performance. I just can't imagine that a couple of holes in an air box and a couple of hoses would do very much to an already optimized design.
Just my $0.02 worth.
With the intake, I can't see how a longer, single intake can provide any resonance boost. Resonance boost would seem to be impossible since the four intakes are combined before the benefit of resonance would be realized. What am I missing?
And as far as "heat soak" goes, the thermal capacity of the plastic intake box is so small that I can't see a significant effect once you are much past idle. Here again, can someone explain these claims.
While Honda would have had some production cost constraints, they put a lot of design thought and effort into the S2000 and it doesn't seem that anything was an afterthought. As for the aftermarket vendors, while many of them make quality products, their incentive is to convince potential buyers that they actually provide something extra, whether performance, sound, or whatever.
I'm just skeptical of the aftermarket snake oil that's out there. Recall the "super spark plugs" or "gasoline ionizers" or any number of fuel economy or performance hacks that have been sold for decades. Fortunately, most of the S2000 aftermarket stuff is not in the same class as this snake oil, but Honda has set a fairly high bar with the S2000 design.
Of course, if you pump more air into the engine, you will get more performance. I just can't imagine that a couple of holes in an air box and a couple of hoses would do very much to an already optimized design.
Just my $0.02 worth.
Originally Posted by idea-catalyst,Sep 18 2010, 09:25 PM
And as far as "heat soak" goes, the thermal capacity of the plastic intake box is so small that I can't see a significant effect once you are much past idle. Here again, can someone explain these claims.
i would love if somebody knowledgeble would explain what it does to engine performance.
The other day I was curious about the temps of the intake box and filter after a casual drive. The box and filter were very warm especially the rear and top portions of the box closest to the engine.
Has anyone attempted anything to prevent the stock air box from getting so hot? possibly some heat deflection material covering the entire box?
Has anyone attempted anything to prevent the stock air box from getting so hot? possibly some heat deflection material covering the entire box?




