Not Another S2000 Gear post!?
Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Dec 21 2007, 01:01 PM
Sigh. Physics again.
F=M*A so A=F/M
P=F*V so F=P/V
Thus, A=P/(V*M)
Acceleration is proportional to power and inversely proportional to speed and mass. Gearing and/or torque doesn't directly enter into it all. The function of the gearing is only to allow the engine to operate as close as possible to the peak power as the velocity changes. Torque is just a byproduct. (There are some real world constraints, though, such as aero drag, wheel spin, power loss in the drivetrain, etc.)
F=M*A so A=F/M
P=F*V so F=P/V
Thus, A=P/(V*M)
Acceleration is proportional to power and inversely proportional to speed and mass. Gearing and/or torque doesn't directly enter into it all. The function of the gearing is only to allow the engine to operate as close as possible to the peak power as the velocity changes. Torque is just a byproduct. (There are some real world constraints, though, such as aero drag, wheel spin, power loss in the drivetrain, etc.)
however, in a car...the moving object needs gearing and wheels in order to move, otherwise, it's just a spinning engine (the spinning flywheel is what those universal equations would apply to).
thereby, the gearing ratio will affect the manner in which the car moves, and thus will affect the acceleration and the acceleration equation.
i believe that makes sense.
Originally Posted by jyeung528,Dec 21 2007, 01:37 PM
however, in a car...the moving object needs gearing in order to move.
thereby, the gearing ratio will affect the manner in which the car moves, and thus will affect the acceleration and the acceleration equation.
thereby, the gearing ratio will affect the manner in which the car moves, and thus will affect the acceleration and the acceleration equation.
As I said (and you seem to have ignored), "the function of the gearing is only to allow the engine to operate as close as possible to the peak power as the velocity changes". I didn't say gearing has no function at all.
1:1 final drive, is STILL gearing. impractical, but still gearing...without the gearing (1:1 or otherwise) you just have a spinning flywheel, and non-moving car. which renders the acceleration equation useless for the car itself. throw in the gearing to an engine (car) and the car starts moving and accererating...but the gearing has to be accounted for in the universal acceleration equation.
the funcitoning of gearing to allow engine to operate at peak power is enlightening...you've stated that in a different thread months ago, i remember...
CVT is very intriguing...it was actually originally designed by leonardo da vinci...back in a time whereby society had no use for the CVT.
the funcitoning of gearing to allow engine to operate at peak power is enlightening...you've stated that in a different thread months ago, i remember...
CVT is very intriguing...it was actually originally designed by leonardo da vinci...back in a time whereby society had no use for the CVT.
Originally Posted by jyeung528,Dec 21 2007, 01:43 PM
the funcitoning of gearing to allow engine to operate at peak power is enlightening...you've stated that in a different thread months ago, i remember...
it takes a lot of thinking for me to understand concepts, which is why i ask a lot of questions...
it can be annoying i understand...and having been an auditor doesn't help in that respect.
it can be annoying i understand...and having been an auditor doesn't help in that respect.
Originally Posted by jyeung528,Dec 21 2007, 12:38 PM
no...i think you are incorrect.
the engine produces a certain amount of torque, irregardless of gearing...
you can't change the amount of torque an engine produces by changing the gears.
the engine produces a certain amount of torque, irregardless of gearing...
you can't change the amount of torque an engine produces by changing the gears.
Gears are a torque multiplier.
Mike, so when selecting gears, would it be best to select the optimal final drive when the transmission is closest to 1:1 with the engine? Does that make any sense at all? lol
Mike, so when selecting gears, would it be best to select the optimal final drive when the transmission is closest to 1:1 with the engine? Does that make any sense at all? lol
Thanks,
I can say in my AP1 that the 4.777's made second gear feel more like first gear and 3rd like 2nd and 4th like 3rd etc etc. Have yet to take it to the track to see if its going to hurt me or not.
By the way I pulled 1&1/2-2 cars on an AP2 at about 40mph roll all the way to 120mph, before the gears we were pretty even, hard to say if I had an advantage or not due to MAP sensor issues I was having.
I can say in my AP1 that the 4.777's made second gear feel more like first gear and 3rd like 2nd and 4th like 3rd etc etc. Have yet to take it to the track to see if its going to hurt me or not.
By the way I pulled 1&1/2-2 cars on an AP2 at about 40mph roll all the way to 120mph, before the gears we were pretty even, hard to say if I had an advantage or not due to MAP sensor issues I was having.






