Pust start without using the clutch
Originally Posted by S2kracka,Apr 4 2005, 11:31 AM
I have no idea if this applies to the F20C or not, but the thrust bearing on the DSM 4G63 engines gets much better oil flow during start-up if the clutch it not depressed.
Please edumacate me. How does disconnecting the engine from the rest of the drive train improve oil flow in the engine?
It has nothing to due with oil flow. When the clutch is pushed in, the crankshaft is also pushed forward against the thrust bearing. Since there is no pressurized oil at start up, the thrust surface of the crank and bearing can wear.
The only damaged thrust surface I've seen was on a engine assembled with the thrust bearings installed backwards.
The only damaged thrust surface I've seen was on a engine assembled with the thrust bearings installed backwards.
i also have remote start in my 02 and just a few weeks ago a roommate left it in gear at the mall and sure nough, it rolled a smacked another moving car, $2000 down the drain!
BUT, my local installer got a device that disables remote start if the car is gear now, so if anyone is interested I'll look into it. I know DEI made it and basically theres a wire that attaches to the shifter that tells the remote start if it's in gear, cost $100 or so!
BUT, my local installer got a device that disables remote start if the car is gear now, so if anyone is interested I'll look into it. I know DEI made it and basically theres a wire that attaches to the shifter that tells the remote start if it's in gear, cost $100 or so!
Originally Posted by slalom44,Apr 4 2005, 10:40 AM
At home, my circular saw has the safety cover permanently wired open
And you think the clutch interlock is a more important safety device?
You guys are funny. As several have mentioned, UK and Euro S don't have a clutch switch. Nor do Aus or JDM. In fact the only market that has this is the NA market.
It is a safety issue. Honda is making sure it is safe from litigation by daft Americans who don't seem to be able to learn the skills that are second nature to the rest of us, but know how to program their mobile phone to put their lawyer on speed dial.
Yep, everywhere else in the world you can start an S (indeed most cars) without pressing the clutch in. And if you want to you can press the Start button (or turn the key to start in lesser vehicles) whilst it's running and hear that lovely grind noise. But guess what! We don't see a procession of driverless cars cruising the street with hicks giving chase on foot accompanied by everyone else grinding starter motors.
Says something doesn't it.
It is a safety issue. Honda is making sure it is safe from litigation by daft Americans who don't seem to be able to learn the skills that are second nature to the rest of us, but know how to program their mobile phone to put their lawyer on speed dial.

Yep, everywhere else in the world you can start an S (indeed most cars) without pressing the clutch in. And if you want to you can press the Start button (or turn the key to start in lesser vehicles) whilst it's running and hear that lovely grind noise. But guess what! We don't see a procession of driverless cars cruising the street with hicks giving chase on foot accompanied by everyone else grinding starter motors.
Says something doesn't it.
Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Apr 5 2005, 07:21 PM
I know a guy who removed that safety cover. Dang thing was just getting in his way all the time. A few months later the saw slipped and went through his leg. He was on crutches for months as the muscles healed themselves.
And you think the clutch interlock is a more important safety device?
And you think the clutch interlock is a more important safety device?
I am not implying that a clutch interlock is a more important safety feature than a circular saw safety cover. I'm saying that for me the likelihood of turning the key while the car is in gear is far greater than the likelihood that I will cut myself with my circular saw the way I use it. I can't speak for anyone else.
And I agree with AusS2000. Americans have the clutch interlock for legal reasons more than anything else. It wouldn't surprise me if the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety had something to do with it as well.
Just curious about you folks who disable everything, just to see if it can be done. Do you, you know, use the toilet seat when you sit on the crapper, or have you disabled it for improved highspeed perfoemance? It seems like some safety devices are better left in place. No photos please.
Originally Posted by mad-dog-one,Apr 5 2005, 09:25 PM
Just curious about you folks who disable everything, just to see if it can be done. Do you, you know, use the toilet seat when you sit on the crapper, or have you disabled it for improved highspeed perfoemance? It seems like some safety devices are better left in place. No photos please. 

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