Insects and evolution
Dean,
This is for you (and everybody else) from today's New York Times. Insects and Evolution.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/29/sc...29inse.html?hp
This is for you (and everybody else) from today's New York Times. Insects and Evolution.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/29/sc...29inse.html?hp
Originally Posted by dean,Nov 29 2005, 06:08 PM
Only a liberal rag like the NYT would push an idea as off-the-wall as evolution.
Thanks for the link.
Thanks for the link.

Originally Posted by raymo19,Nov 29 2005, 07:34 PM
I've been looking for this one (off and on) all day and the only disappointment I have is that I didn't need the online dictionary. 

Serious question for the scientists out there: The article said "When insects later evolved the ability to fly, ..." How did the original (non-flying) insects "evolve" to have wings? I can understand how a whale, being a mammal, can evolve to have flippers instead of hands. To me, "evolve" means to change, but sprouting wings from nothing is not change (unless the wings originated as something else and then changed into wings), it is a revolution or disruption.
I am not trying to attack evolution, I just want to understand. Thanks.
I am not trying to attack evolution, I just want to understand. Thanks.
Originally Posted by dean,Nov 29 2005, 06:08 PM
Only a liberal rag like the NYT would push an idea as off-the-wall as evolution.
Right about now, I would be willing to bet that Rob feels like you drove a steak through his heart!
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Originally Posted by WhiteS2k,Nov 29 2005, 09:35 PM
Serious question for the scientists out there: The article said "When insects later evolved the ability to fly, ..." How did the original (non-flying) insects "evolve" to have wings? I can understand how a whale, being a mammal, can evolve to have flippers instead of hands. To me, "evolve" means to change, but sprouting wings from nothing is not change (unless the wings originated as something else and then changed into wings), it is a revolution or disruption.
I am not trying to attack evolution, I just want to understand. Thanks.
I am not trying to attack evolution, I just want to understand. Thanks.

The evolution of wings was a very slow, gradual process, not a miraculous overnight change. No one knows exactly from what or how they evolved (fossils of soft bodied organisms such as insects are rare), but there are two basic hypotheses proposed
1. Wings evolved from extensions of the gills of the aquatic ancestors of insects (much like jaws evolved from the first gill arch of the agnathans = jawless fish and ancestors to the jawed fishes).
2. Wings evolved from the formation of extensions of the body/exoskeleton.
The gill hypothesis is much more probable and similar in mechanism as your whale flipper example. It's also better supported by genetic evidence and is widely accepted among mainstream bugologists.










