A Possible (Temporary) Solution
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From: Houston/Durango
In Ohio, and everywhere else I've been stopped, I only have to produce those "Papers" if asked for them. Squirreling around in the car before the policeman arrives at the window isn't necessary. Ask for license, registration, and insurance and you get it.
I was once asked for my pilot's license during a traffic stop. Yeah, I was flying down I71! So, as instructed, I handed my pilot's license to the policeman and watched his puzzlement in my mirror while he talked on the radio and then threw the mic down and stormed back to my window demanding "What the hell is this?" "Just what you asked for." Long pause. Then he saw he was the victim of his own joke, laughed, and waived me on with a "fly slower" or similar comment.
-- Chuck
I was once asked for my pilot's license during a traffic stop. Yeah, I was flying down I71! So, as instructed, I handed my pilot's license to the policeman and watched his puzzlement in my mirror while he talked on the radio and then threw the mic down and stormed back to my window demanding "What the hell is this?" "Just what you asked for." Long pause. Then he saw he was the victim of his own joke, laughed, and waived me on with a "fly slower" or similar comment.
-- Chuck
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From: Chesterfield VA
Why is a normal traffic stop considered a split second life and death decision? Philando Castile was sitting in his car at a traffic stop. The policeman was outside. Try sitting in a normal car with a pistol holstered on your hip and putting it into play in a "split second." Ain't gonna happen. (In a S2000 you're gonna have to get out of the car.) Nor could Castile. This was clearly unjustified and a complete lack of training. If there's a threat, perceived or real, don't stand next to it.
-- Chuck
-- Chuck
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From: Randolph, NJ
Why is a normal traffic stop considered a split second life and death decision? Philando Castile was sitting in his car at a traffic stop. The policeman was outside. Try sitting in a normal car with a pistol holstered on your hip and putting it into play in a "split second." Ain't gonna happen. (In a S2000 you're gonna have to get out of the car.) Nor could Castile. This was clearly unjustified and a complete lack of training. If there's a threat, perceived or real, don't stand next to it.
-- Chuck
-- Chuck
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From: Plattsburgh, NY
Originally Posted by Chuck S' timestamp='1468177562' post='24013142
Unless I'm under arrest I don't need anyone's permission do to anything other than sit in my car during a traffic stop.
Information from the license plate data on the police display screen covers who I am, etc. And in Ohio the police computer also notes I'm licensed to be armed. I still have to "inform" them if I'm carrying. The Ohio State Highway Patrol apparently fears legally drivers more than those without licenses.
-- Chuck
Information from the license plate data on the police display screen covers who I am, etc. And in Ohio the police computer also notes I'm licensed to be armed. I still have to "inform" them if I'm carrying. The Ohio State Highway Patrol apparently fears legally drivers more than those without licenses.
-- Chuck
I like your idea of getting the information from the license plate, but all that tells the cop is whether or not the car is registered and whether or not it's stolen. It doesn't address the issue of the driver being licensed.
I'd love to see the license and registration have a smart chip that could transmit to the cop all of the data without them having to approach the car.
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From: St-Redempteur,Qc.
Originally Posted by ralper' timestamp='1468178107' post='24013152
[quote name='Chuck S' timestamp='1468177562' post='24013142']
Unless I'm under arrest I don't need anyone's permission do to anything other than sit in my car during a traffic stop.
Information from the license plate data on the police display screen covers who I am, etc. And in Ohio the police computer also notes I'm licensed to be armed. I still have to "inform" them if I'm carrying. The Ohio State Highway Patrol apparently fears legally drivers more than those without licenses.
-- Chuck
Unless I'm under arrest I don't need anyone's permission do to anything other than sit in my car during a traffic stop.
Information from the license plate data on the police display screen covers who I am, etc. And in Ohio the police computer also notes I'm licensed to be armed. I still have to "inform" them if I'm carrying. The Ohio State Highway Patrol apparently fears legally drivers more than those without licenses.
-- Chuck
I like your idea of getting the information from the license plate, but all that tells the cop is whether or not the car is registered and whether or not it's stolen. It doesn't address the issue of the driver being licensed.
I'd love to see the license and registration have a smart chip that could transmit to the cop all of the data without them having to approach the car.
Levi
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Levi,Just slip in a couple more $20.00.
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From: delaware county , pa
s2000 makes it even shadier to get paperwork, our glove boxes are behind us, and thats the last place the police want you reaching.
i keep my wallet with id, registration and insurance card on passenger seat(when alone).....yes sir, no sir, and dont call a state trooper "officer" and all should be fine,lol
i am also a stubborn person, but dont need no headaches or tickets or bullet in the chest. cops are on edge right now, this could really happen to any one of us. Flashy cars are more prone to getting pulled over so best to be smart and ready and proactive, not give them a reason to be reactive!
i keep my wallet with id, registration and insurance card on passenger seat(when alone).....yes sir, no sir, and dont call a state trooper "officer" and all should be fine,lol
i am also a stubborn person, but dont need no headaches or tickets or bullet in the chest. cops are on edge right now, this could really happen to any one of us. Flashy cars are more prone to getting pulled over so best to be smart and ready and proactive, not give them a reason to be reactive!
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From: Plattsburgh, NY
Originally Posted by NNY S2k' timestamp='1468184097' post='24013232
[quote name='ralper' timestamp='1468178107' post='24013152']
[quote name='Chuck S' timestamp='1468177562' post='24013142']
Unless I'm under arrest I don't need anyone's permission do to anything other than sit in my car during a traffic stop.
Information from the license plate data on the police display screen covers who I am, etc. And in Ohio the police computer also notes I'm licensed to be armed. I still have to "inform" them if I'm carrying. The Ohio State Highway Patrol apparently fears legally drivers more than those without licenses.
-- Chuck
[quote name='Chuck S' timestamp='1468177562' post='24013142']
Unless I'm under arrest I don't need anyone's permission do to anything other than sit in my car during a traffic stop.
Information from the license plate data on the police display screen covers who I am, etc. And in Ohio the police computer also notes I'm licensed to be armed. I still have to "inform" them if I'm carrying. The Ohio State Highway Patrol apparently fears legally drivers more than those without licenses.
-- Chuck
I like your idea of getting the information from the license plate, but all that tells the cop is whether or not the car is registered and whether or not it's stolen. It doesn't address the issue of the driver being licensed.
I'd love to see the license and registration have a smart chip that could transmit to the cop all of the data without them having to approach the car.
Levi
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Levi,Just slip in a couple more $20.00.
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You're funny Emil.Levi
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From: Napa
1- turn on inside light
2- keep your hands on the wheel
3- listen
4- do what he says and tell him what you are going to do before you do it (reach in glove box...)
I did all the above at 1am in Virginia, after being caught on radar 85 in a 55. Let go with a warning.
Of course I am white, maybe made a difference, maybe not.
2- keep your hands on the wheel
3- listen
4- do what he says and tell him what you are going to do before you do it (reach in glove box...)
I did all the above at 1am in Virginia, after being caught on radar 85 in a 55. Let go with a warning.
Of course I am white, maybe made a difference, maybe not.
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From: bolton
I do not think that any of recent events are a new phenomena.
What is new, is the omnipresence of video recording equipment in smart phones.
No person should fear for thier life in a traffic stop on either side of the window.
Fear results in irrational behavior. If you live in a state of fear while doing your job, perhaps it is time to turn in the badge.
Many years ago, I was supposed to go pick up my girlfriend and woke up late.
I quickly jumped in my Sprite and strated on my way.
One of the tail lights had faded and had a crack which is why I hadn't got it inspected yet.
Since I was in a hurry, I forgot my wallet with my license and registration.
I didn't even get a half mile before I got pulled over. Bad inspection sticker and no ID of any form whatsoever.
Hell I didn't even have shoes on.
Cop followed me back to my house and just gave me a warning.
I have wondered how that would have played out in one of the larger cities were I black.
What is new, is the omnipresence of video recording equipment in smart phones.
No person should fear for thier life in a traffic stop on either side of the window.
Fear results in irrational behavior. If you live in a state of fear while doing your job, perhaps it is time to turn in the badge.
Many years ago, I was supposed to go pick up my girlfriend and woke up late.
I quickly jumped in my Sprite and strated on my way.
One of the tail lights had faded and had a crack which is why I hadn't got it inspected yet.
Since I was in a hurry, I forgot my wallet with my license and registration.
I didn't even get a half mile before I got pulled over. Bad inspection sticker and no ID of any form whatsoever.
Hell I didn't even have shoes on.
Cop followed me back to my house and just gave me a warning.
I have wondered how that would have played out in one of the larger cities were I black.
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From: Mish-she-gan
Ahhh, so true. I got taken to jail in FL for a burnt out taillight during my college days and the officer lied about what he saw and when he saw it. Like you, I can only imagine what would have happen if I was black.