A Possible (Temporary) Solution
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From: Mish-she-gan
Thanks to all for for contributions to this thread. It certainly gives all of us (and family members) a good reason to keep cool when we are pulled over.
The 28 y.o. son of a good friend graduated last Friday from the Oklahoma Police Academy. I will be seeing him at the end of August (unfortunately for a memorial service for my friend, his father) and hope to ask him about his training in this "red" state with a large minority population. He is a big strong guy with a criminal justice background, and has worked for a few years as a prison guard and parole officer...now making a step up in responsibility.
Feeling sorry about Jerry-MA's experience with a smart alec cope; I think that going back later to talk to his superior WOULD have been a good thing to do (since it was in a nearby area). Sounds like that cop needs a dose of professionalism.
My most recent ticket was a couple years ago on the interstate near Roanoke VA. I was driving our PRIUS and got a ticket for driving 75 when I missed a reduction of the limit from 65 to 55. What I do remember is how UNBELIEVABLY professional and polite the officer was; I think that I thanked him for his professionalism.
The 28 y.o. son of a good friend graduated last Friday from the Oklahoma Police Academy. I will be seeing him at the end of August (unfortunately for a memorial service for my friend, his father) and hope to ask him about his training in this "red" state with a large minority population. He is a big strong guy with a criminal justice background, and has worked for a few years as a prison guard and parole officer...now making a step up in responsibility.
Feeling sorry about Jerry-MA's experience with a smart alec cope; I think that going back later to talk to his superior WOULD have been a good thing to do (since it was in a nearby area). Sounds like that cop needs a dose of professionalism.
My most recent ticket was a couple years ago on the interstate near Roanoke VA. I was driving our PRIUS and got a ticket for driving 75 when I missed a reduction of the limit from 65 to 55. What I do remember is how UNBELIEVABLY professional and polite the officer was; I think that I thanked him for his professionalism.
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Why is a normal traffic stop considered a split second life and death decision? Philando Castile was sitting in his car at a traffic stop. The policeman was outside. Try sitting in a normal car with a pistol holstered on your hip and putting it into play in a "split second." Ain't gonna happen. (In a S2000 you're gonna have to get out of the car.) Nor could Castile. This was clearly unjustified and a complete lack of training. If there's a threat, perceived or real, don't stand next to it.
-- Chuck
-- Chuck
Armed or unarmed ?
How quickly can you make that decision
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From: Mish-she-gan
Patty I shared the link with a close friend and retired State Police Lt. I thought I'd share his reply:\
Dave:
I have gone thru this training when I was the District Firearms Instructor. It was not as Hi tech as the current offerings, but still good training. Partly this is what is on my mind, as I watch the 20 somethings wearing banners that push for white officers to go to jail as racist Killers.
On a slightly different note, it is interesting to hear the comments from citizen graduates of Police firearms training. Almost all say that their gunfight happens almost before they could understand the situation. They seldom knew for certain if the aggressor was a paper boy or a felon. Would almost guess if they should shoot or not.
From my own experience after Larry Forrider was killed in a traffic stop was that I did not realize how much more aggressive I would be for several months. I drew my Smith & Wesson much more often than before Larry's death. I am sure that all American officers are going thru this same challenge since "Black Lives Matter" emerged. Sadly both sides are at fault, but few would see this for what it is. I do think messages/training like this one do help.
Dave:
I have gone thru this training when I was the District Firearms Instructor. It was not as Hi tech as the current offerings, but still good training. Partly this is what is on my mind, as I watch the 20 somethings wearing banners that push for white officers to go to jail as racist Killers.
On a slightly different note, it is interesting to hear the comments from citizen graduates of Police firearms training. Almost all say that their gunfight happens almost before they could understand the situation. They seldom knew for certain if the aggressor was a paper boy or a felon. Would almost guess if they should shoot or not.
From my own experience after Larry Forrider was killed in a traffic stop was that I did not realize how much more aggressive I would be for several months. I drew my Smith & Wesson much more often than before Larry's death. I am sure that all American officers are going thru this same challenge since "Black Lives Matter" emerged. Sadly both sides are at fault, but few would see this for what it is. I do think messages/training like this one do help.
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Patty I shared the link with a close friend and retired State Police Lt. I thought I'd share his reply:\
Dave:
I have gone thru this training when I was the District Firearms Instructor. It was not as Hi tech as the current offerings, but still good training. Partly this is what is on my mind, as I watch the 20 somethings wearing banners that push for white officers to go to jail as racist Killers.
On a slightly different note, it is interesting to hear the comments from citizen graduates of Police firearms training. Almost all say that their gunfight happens almost before they could understand the situation. They seldom knew for certain if the aggressor was a paper boy or a felon. Would almost guess if they should shoot or not.
From my own experience after Larry Forrider was killed in a traffic stop was that I did not realize how much more aggressive I would be for several months. I drew my Smith & Wesson much more often than before Larry's death. I am sure that all American officers are going thru this same challenge since "Black Lives Matter" emerged. Sadly both sides are at fault, but few would see this for what it is. I do think messages/training like this one do help.
Dave:
I have gone thru this training when I was the District Firearms Instructor. It was not as Hi tech as the current offerings, but still good training. Partly this is what is on my mind, as I watch the 20 somethings wearing banners that push for white officers to go to jail as racist Killers.
On a slightly different note, it is interesting to hear the comments from citizen graduates of Police firearms training. Almost all say that their gunfight happens almost before they could understand the situation. They seldom knew for certain if the aggressor was a paper boy or a felon. Would almost guess if they should shoot or not.
From my own experience after Larry Forrider was killed in a traffic stop was that I did not realize how much more aggressive I would be for several months. I drew my Smith & Wesson much more often than before Larry's death. I am sure that all American officers are going thru this same challenge since "Black Lives Matter" emerged. Sadly both sides are at fault, but few would see this for what it is. I do think messages/training like this one do help.
I think this applies to many occupations.
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