[QUOTE]Originally posted by InsaneInNC
[B]William,

I told PJK3 not to bug you immediately after you got back from vacation.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by WLAURENT
[B]

Sorry guys - I got back from vacation on July 1st.

 

what grill? i don't recall any grill...

William, take all the time you need to cope with the issues at hand. i'm very sorry to hear about your grandfather and offer only my most sincere and heartfelt empathies to you.

i'll be praying for you and your family in the coming days.

take care,

 

OK folks. For those who are interested, I finally received a response from Phoenix Gold.

As I did in my last post, I will first quote my message, then theirs:

[QUOTE][I]Originally sent to PG on Sunday, July 06, 2003

 

Hmm that does sound like a low number, i think they're just playing it safe and not telling you the actual amount. PG amps tend to be a little under-rated as well. Are you buying your PG amp locally? If so the shop can take a peek at the birth-sheet to see the real tested ratings for the amp. then you can work out the math from there.

 

mgiang7:

The whole reason I decided to go straight to PG was the fact that the local dealer did not have the information. The local dealer only had the same information as the PG internet site had (basically nothing useful @ 2 ohms).

As far as buying locally, that was the original plan. But I started do more research, and found I could save about $100 on the PG amp and another $100 on the Alpine HU (9813) if I buy via the internet over the local sale price. I doubt that the local store would even attempt to match the internet prices. However, I may buy the speakers locally. Not sure about the "accessories" though.

 

just to reply to myself.

Mike, Have you thought about running on of the PG amps in Tri-Linear mode? Apparently all the new Tantrum amps allow simulataneous Stereo/Bridged operation. In theory this means a 2-Channel amp can power your speakers and Subs. In practice? I'll leave it to the smarty pants to comment on that

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mgiang7
[B]just to reply to myself.

Mike,

 

you and me both...

i know i made some calls to Kicker's technical support to get a clearer estimate of actual output vs rated... they weren't specific, but they confirmed my ballpark numbers... maybe PG will do the same? perhaps you can even get them to let you look at the floor demo's sheet?

for both my speakers and my headunit, i brought VERY low ball internet numbers to my local shop... the net numbers were substantially below their retail. (Alpine 7894 ~$312 vs $425 and Focal 165K2's $350 vs $600). i ended up getting the Alpine for $325 and the Focal's for $350. don't doubt that they WILL work with their prices... now, the Focal's were an open box item, but i knew the entire circumstances around them, so i was willing to take that... (one of their installers wanted to put them in his WRX, but they were too deep for his doors...)

the worst they can say is 'no.' or counter offer w/ something closer to your numbers... and remember -- cash in hand is hard for them to turn down.

and remember - most of the time when you buy online, you're dealing with potentially grey merchandise.

 

and to followup on the buy local thing.

if you buy from the same shop that installs it, they'll be flexible on price since they're getting all the work. some shops also charge more if you bring in your own stuff as opposed to buying from them, so all stuff to take into account when negotiating a price.