Don't turn this into a hate fest on the older or newer cars. Unless you actually know how to drive and have driven both aggressively/competitively (i.e. at the limit) you should keep your pie holes shut.

 

Yea exactly STFU Keith.

 

Thank you keith. Some of you are talking as if you've worked for car and driver for 30 years, yet im pretty sure you haven't driven both of these cars.

Im not gonna even BEGIN to defend the 04 side again... I feel like i've beaten this horse to death. Some of you seem so sure the 04 is a minivan, Show up to an auto X. Allen and i will have no problem Showing you how Capable this car is, with capable drivers.

TO the question at hand... As far as the change, im sure you'll be more then happy with the 05. i've let 4 COMPETENT Drivers Drive my car, Richie, Alex, Joe and Keith. Joe and Keith both drove it at Auto-x's. Here are a few things I Remembered them pointing out...

- Suspension is noticably Softer.
- The Steerings been adjusted, meaning you'll have to turn the wheel more to produce the same action in an 04, then you would in an 03.
- Cruising in 6th is alittle quieter...
- The car does have get up BEFORE V-tec.
- The car 'feels' Like an 03 with intake and Exhaust.
- On the other hand you have to shift before 60
- The Space in the 04 is Slightly noticable... But not everyone agreed.
- The cup holder is as useless as before, but we get a clock on our dash, which they all say is pointless (i just think there jealous

If I can remember anything else, I will post it here. Also im sure the four of them can post anything left out...
-Sonic

 

I haven't driven the 04 at an autox but I have driven the 04 enough to form an educated opinion.

In other threads about the subject, I've always stated that the 04 S2000 is an evolution of the car which is a good thing. However the 04 was given more torque to satisfy the American need for more torque at the sacrifice of the 9K redline. Why else is the F22C only offered here in the US and the F20C is still being offered in the rest of the world? Because only Americans care greatly about torque and 1/4 mile times. I don't need to be an expert professional race car Formula 1 driver to form this opinion.

Keep in mind that 99% of automobile owners do not autox/track their cars so much of our experiences driving at the limit may not apply to them.

 

I agree with Ricky. The new version is as good as the older one. They changed some things that a lot of people were complaining about and I think they did a good job. It would be nice to have the 9000 redline but the 04's do have more useable power. It is a better daily driver hands down(and I drive my 03 every day).

Any s2000 is better then 97% of the cars out there. I doubt that I will have my 03 for too much longer(it is starting to really fall apart ) And don't know what I will get, but the 05 would be on the short list.

 

2005 Porsche 987 Boxster S

 

If you don't mind sharing, where did you get this little trinket of information. Cause last i checked, when i read the s2000 brochure, it read nothing like the following...

" YEeeeeeeeeehaaaa folks have we got something for yall. The new and improved s2000 got gobs more TQ.... thats right... Now we can tow our tractors...."

Face it tommy, what your saying is something thats gotten around on this site, started by pre-04 owners. I agree with you, this car is indeed an evolution. But if honda wanted to do exactly as you said, they could of just dropped there v6 in there. Honda pulled more tq out of the same engine, It dropped the redline, but kept the same hp (if not more). That is an improvement in my eye.

And now your gonna tell me that you don't care about TQ/HP numbers, and 1/4 mile times....Ive seen your garage, Im certain your very particular about how a car performs. The new motor doesn't rev to 9k.... So it lost its 'coolness' to some of you, and i can understand that. But Pulling random theorys out of the sky, doesn't help people decide wether or not the cars good for them.

As to your driving both cars, im glad you have. But in any of your posts have you pointed out information that is useful. Im sure hes aware of the RPM's be lowered and the tq increase.

 

Then answer my questions...

Why is Honda only offering the F22C here in the US while the rest of the world is keeping the F20C, including its own base market of Japan? If the F22C is an improvement as you claim, wouldn't Honda use it globally? Doing so would also save production costs, so why isn't Honda using the "improved" F22C globally instead of producing the F22C for only the US and F20C for the rest of the world?

Do a search for torque in this forum and you will see many threads and posts of people complaining about the lack of torque.

Simple logic draws a simple conclusion. We asked and Honda gave. Is it bad? No. But its a compromise.

 

Im not the one trying to prove a fact, Again... There is no FACTUAL base to what your saying. I dont necesarily Dissagree with you. Im just saying, give the guy information he can use.... I dont think he cares why honda did what they did, but more so what is it they did.

Explain why the tq is bad.... Or maybe explain why you think the lowerd RPM's hurt the car.

 

Guys, you are both somewhat correct... The F22 is only for here. The F22 is not a torque monster

However this argument is silly...