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May 6, 2008 | 07:11 AM

#41

Willie Gee

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From: New Slowmyrna Beach

Donna Summer in the phone book:

Summer, Donna.

simmer down now.

May 6, 2008 | 07:14 AM

#42

VeilSide AP1

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From: V I C E C I T Y

[QUOTE=Fyrestrike,May 6 2008, 07:08 AM] Classy, why did they allow you back on these forums again?

May 6, 2008 | 07:18 AM

#43

VeilSide AP1

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From: V I C E C I T Y

Quote:

Originally Posted by -LAW-,Apr 30 2008, 03:31 PM

i have to take it off for the spoon 7 point cage

Here's some pics on the car.... I will be tracking this car when its done

I want to have some fun with the s2000 !!!

I'm getting 2 spoon front for track and for show

Look it has mount for stock seat belt thingys

Sorry its a mess right now i have to take everything out ( carpet, dash, etc.) ... one day

I'm welding the cages

Anyone care to help me strip this car ??? hehehe

-LAW

Good stuff LAW Keep it up Brotha

May 6, 2008 | 07:23 AM

#44

oscar_driver

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From: Cercado

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeilSide AP1,May 6 2008, 07:07 AM

Hey Oscar i open bigger cans than that

BTW When you coming out to a meet? I havent seen your Bolivean ass in a loooong time.

last time you opened a can i remember seen the results

JK
check your PM ...

OScar

May 6, 2008 | 07:24 AM

#45

VeilSide AP1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by oscar_driver,May 6 2008, 07:23 AM

last time you opened a can i remember seen the results

JK
check your PM ...

OScar

Will do

May 6, 2008 | 07:36 AM

#46

Fyrestrike

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From: Miami Lakes

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeilSide AP1,May 6 2008, 10:10 AM

actual DATA.....

Although I feel like I'm wasting my time because you'd never step foot on the fast side of a race track, I'll humor you for a bit...

Here are the NASA: http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf and SCCA rules http://www.scca.com/documents/Club%20Rules/GCR2008.pdf.

1) You'll never read anything in either of them supporting bolted in cages over welded in cages. Bolts fail in shear (look that one up) and cannot transfer loads to the vehicle's chassis effectively (which is the primary function of a roll cage)

2) Take a look at the minimum wall thickness and tubing sizes. Cusco "cages" range from 1.6mm wall thickness to 2mm wall thickness. Neither of those meet the minimum requirements even for a car like the S2000 (~2700lbs) (around .095" or 2.41mm wall thickness).

3) The front legs on the Cusco 6 point "cage" (5th and 6th points) have far too many bends to be even structurally sound, much less transfer any kind of load.

I'll draw a few conclusions for you:

- Cusco "roll cages" are nothing more than chassis stiffeners, they add a slight amount of rigidity to open cars like the S2000.

- Cusco "roll cages" are also for show, they give the illusion of a "track oriented" car.

- It is generally cheaper (and MUCH more effective) to buy a real weld in cage instead of buying any of these JDM "cages" if you plan to track the car.

- Roll cages are part of a safety system for a car, if one is used (on the street for example) without a helmet it can seriously injure the occupants of the vehicle in an otherwise minimally dangerous accident.

May 6, 2008 | 08:03 AM

#47

Mocky

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and again... here we go...

to the OP..i'm sorry i have to close this.. (but i'm not dumping it)...

I'll clean this up later....... one step forward, nine steps backwards....

It's a legit question..... with good explanation..... cross the personal/opinion line, and it all goes downhill..