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Old Jan 1, 2009 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ft2057' date='Jan 1 2009, 12:44 PM
But when I see people driving these $50k+ cars around getting their prescriptions for free then see elderly patients who are supposed to be retired and are on a fixed income having to charge their credit cards a couple hundred dollars at a time and even getting a personal loan to buy their prescriptions to literally live, I think theres a problem.
Sure, there may be a problem, but I don't think you should hold that against the people that are "well off." It's not their fault, and they have done more than their fair share to support the system. Therefore, you shouldn't look at them in a negative light when they come in to claim their benefits.

If I'm misreading your sentiment, then I apologize. It just sounded to me like you're somehow implying that these "wealthy" people are responsible for the problems that the other people are having.
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 06:43 AM
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No i dont intend to blame anyone for anyones elses missfortunes, but what I am getting at is that it bothers me that those in need cannot take advantage of these programs because they are near or at the threshold of the program requirements. Yet somehow these wealthy people taking advantage of the programs that they themselves are sponsoring meet the program requirements without fail. I its like setting up a scholarship and claiming that same scholarship for yourself.
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 08:44 AM
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Your tax return software might be screwed up. According to the IRS:

What is it? It's an economic stimulus payment that more than 124 million households will receive. It's not taxable, and it won't reduce your 2007 or 2008 refund or increase the amount you owe when you file your 2008 return. Payments started in May and will continue through the end of 2008.
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/...179211,00.html
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 08:59 AM
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Funny!!! I tried on turbo tax's website, aswell as 2 others all with the same result. Interesting.
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ft2057' date='Jan 2 2009, 07:43 AM
No i dont intend to blame anyone for anyones elses missfortunes, but what I am getting at is that it bothers me that those in need cannot take advantage of these programs because they are near or at the threshold of the program requirements. Yet somehow these wealthy people taking advantage of the programs that they themselves are sponsoring meet the program requirements without fail. I its like setting up a scholarship and claiming that same scholarship for yourself.
"GREED"
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 10:15 AM
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I don't see how you can equate greed with people using Medicare/Medicaid. Higher income people pay more than their fair share for Medicare, even though they get the same benefits. The requirements for Medicare are the same for everybody. Even after retirement, people with higher AGIs pay higher premiums for Medicare Part B than people with lower incomes. Yet the benefits are the same across the board.

So, I still don't see how you can equate that with greed, unless you're saying that the poor people are greedy because they want the same benefits as rich people, but they don't want to pay as much for it.

Medicaid is a different subject, because it's only available to very low-income people or special-circumstances people. But again, who pays for those programs? The wealthy.
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mic_crispy' date='Jan 5 2009, 11:59 AM
Funny!!! I tried on turbo tax's website, aswell as 2 others all with the same result. Interesting.
Maybe your AGI ended up being too high, so you didn't actually qualify for the stimulus check? That's the only reason I can think of that you'd have to pay it back. I didn't see anything on form 1040 that would indicate that your stimulus payment should affect your return.
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by mxt_77' date='Jan 5 2009, 11:15 AM

I don't see how you can equate greed with people using Medicare/Medicaid. Higher income people pay more than their fair share for Medicare, even though they get the same benefits. The requirements for Medicare are the same for everybody. Even after retirement, people with higher AGIs pay higher premiums for Medicare Part B than people with lower incomes. Yet the benefits are the same across the board.

So, I still don't see how you can equate that with greed, unless you're saying that the poor people are greedy because they want the same benefits as rich people, but they don't want to pay as much for it.

Medicaid is a different subject, because it's only available to very low-income people or special-circumstances people. But again, who pays for those programs? The wealthy.
No matter poor, rich, old, young, males, females, yellow, red, brown, white, black or rainbow. If you are not greedy, then I'm not talking about you. But, you know GREED will bring down any society.
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mxt_77' date='Jan 5 2009, 11:15 AM

I don't see how you can equate greed with people using Medicare/Medicaid. Higher income people pay more than their fair share for Medicare, even though they get the same benefits. The requirements for Medicare are the same for everybody. Even after retirement, people with higher AGIs pay higher premiums for Medicare Part B than people with lower incomes. Yet the benefits are the same across the board.

So, I still don't see how you can equate that with greed, unless you're saying that the poor people are greedy because they want the same benefits as rich people, but they don't want to pay as much for it.

Medicaid is a different subject, because it's only available to very low-income people or special-circumstances people. But again, who pays for those programs? The wealthy.
You're right, Medicare is one thing and Medicaid is another. Those programs that have $0 copay are the Medicaid programs, and yes, they require you to be low income. However, those with high income also are using these Medicaid benefits while some that are in dire need of the program are right below the threshold and do not qualify. How are they doing this? I don't know, but they are.

Medicare part D benefits vary across the board, you have your options of which plans you would like to use, how much you would like to pay, and which company to use (Aetna, Caremark, Paid Medco, etc.). There have been a lot of changes to the Medicare program as of late and their benefits (at least for the elderly) are becoming harder and harder for them to understand. Low monthly payments usually equate to higher deductible, lower amount of drugs on formulary, higher copays, and higher costs when in the donut hole. Higher monthly payments usually equate to lower deductible, higher amount of drugs on the formulary, lower copays, and lower costs out of pocket when in the donut hole.

Medicare part B however may be just as you say, but we don't see a whole lot of those at our pharmacy mainly due to their lack of drug coverage. As a result, most of our patients use Part D and Medicaid. Its quite confusing and hard to explain at times.
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mellowyellow999' date='Jan 5 2009, 01:44 PM
No matter poor, rich, old, young, males, females, yellow, red, brown, white, black or rainbow. If you are not greedy, then I'm not talking about you. But, you know GREED will bring down any society.
So your comment had nothing to do with the post that you quoted? I'm confused.
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