Your front tyres will wear faster than with the usual zero toe and 1 deg of camber that most people use, and I know how you hate spending money, so do remember that.

It's certainly worth experimenting, especially if you can get Ray to make the changes for little cost.

 

WHS. I hate mine with lots of caster (as it is now). It's great if you hurl the car manfully into corners, but I find I often lurch into corners, as it doesn't turn and then grips and turns suddenly, whereas I much prefer to turn in smoothly and feel the grip build up.

Lots of front camber also makes the steering feel horrible on anything less than a perfect road. I often convince myself I have a puncture (did it this morning), when I don't because of the way the car wanders all over the road at times. Again it's great if you're cornering hard, but a bit horrible day to day.

 

Your front tyres will wear faster than with the usual zero toe and 1 deg of camber that most people use, and I know how you hate spending money, so do remember that.

It's certainly worth experimenting, especially if you can get Ray to make the changes for little cost.
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I have to agree with Lovegroova, If you run high front cambers and toe out you will destroy you tyre's in no time. plus in everyday traffic and as a daily there is absolutely no need, great if you out for a Sunday thrash on the limit or track days, it will also feel horrible over road repairs etc, plus how the front arms adjust the more camber you put on reduces your caster limit,

 

Well maybe that's the reason Raz likes it so much, he does a lot of track driving in his S, hence the perfect smooth surfaces ... well it was worth a consideration at least.

 

On the road I'm not finding it as skittish as I'd expect for -2'20f camber.


The car doesn't follow tar banded join lines or get sucked into little imperfections at all. I can't quantify what is preventing this effect though. Maybe it's the big sticky front semi flat tyres combined or the uber expensive 3 way adjustable custom suspension with giant remote reservoirs which I have no clue how to setup yet! My point being that there is soo many things that effect the ride don't focus on Just alignment stats.


I'm also seeing front tyre wear opposite to what everyone would expect! I'm chewing the outside of the front tyres off and the insides look like new I think my lower castor may be the reason for this. I read somehting very interesting above, I didn't know that more caster results in an increased negative camber on turn in. Which would explain why looking at my tyres suggests I need even more negative camber but maybe I can just increase my castor instead?

On my car it's not a matter of Having more front camber than rear. Firstly I'm trying to eliminate the excess scrubbing I was getting on the front outside edges as the outside tyre tucks under mid corner. Secondly and similarly I want both the rear wheels to have Have maximum contact patch as they are the driving wheels. More contact means I can get more grip. At -2'30 rear I was seeing the rear insides wearing a lot so I knocked -0'30 off and found the tyre wasnt tucking under, rear tyre wear looked a lot more even and I had more grip. Plus there is now a lot more warning around the limit and the car is soo much less snappy at the back. As the tyre wasn't tucking under at -2' and I liked the reduction in rear negative Camber I went a bit further and next alignment I had another few seconds taken off leaving it were it is now in terms of rear camber.

Everyone's setups and preferences are different, I personally think you need to find what you like and trial and error from there to improve it for yourself. Go with something fairly basic for road use I don't think you want to try anything out of Hondas ORIGINAL spec, even the uk recommended settings look a little aggressive on the back but again that's my preference.

If you track it then it's a completely different matter. The tyre wear will tell you a lot. Tyre pressures become überduber important and can be used to band aid other settings till a more permanent adjustment can be made.

 

Hmm thanks for that ... I need to read it and understand where you are coming from before making any adjustments myself.

 

OK car is booked into WIM on Thursday so will take some settings and discuss my requirements and findings.

Will certainly look at a bit less Castor and reduced rear toe.

 

What is you front tyre wear like on this? How did it vary with different castor.

Im thinking 1deg front and loads of castor is giving me too much dynamic camber, we will see when I get the current measurements.

 

I don't recall any significant difference in tyre wear caused by castor, although I didn't have "loads" for all that long as I didn't really like the feel of it so got it changed at my annual geo.

 

Is it high speed corners or low speed you get the understeer?

Entry, mid corner or exit?

Personally, gut feeling if you will, I'd go with more front static camber and slightly less toe out (or have it set neutral, zero toe) to correct the tyre wear.