Braking improved with pads or just placebo
03-16-2013, 04:53 AM
#21
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Wow this goes straight over my head lol. I can understand the principles in what people are saying, but I would never ever ever prefer having oem discs and pads over my dixcel set up. Never had fade with oem stuff but I can definately drive faster and with more confidence on the dixcels.
Iirc yellow stuff is EBC's highest performance track orientated pad, red stuff is more aimed at fast road, had them on my dc2 and never again, pedal felt like custard and the rears crumbled into pieces after about 6 months.
Iirc yellow stuff is EBC's highest performance track orientated pad, red stuff is more aimed at fast road, had them on my dc2 and never again, pedal felt like custard and the rears crumbled into pieces after about 6 months.
Because you think you have more braking ability, and the brake feel is different, you are more confident and drive faster than you did with OEM. And there is nothing wrong with that at all
03-16-2013, 05:11 AM
#22
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Interesting.
I do still have the rears to fit.
For me it wasnt much more to go with yellowstuff vs oem, so thought I'd give them a try since OEM pads is all i have ever fitted.
I do still have the rears to fit.
For me it wasnt much more to go with yellowstuff vs oem, so thought I'd give them a try since OEM pads is all i have ever fitted.
03-16-2013, 06:25 AM
#23
Ultimate braking is determined by your tyres, not your discs and pads. However, if your pads/discs were shagged, then you'll notice the difference.
My Dixcels bite harder for less pedal pressure, an withstand repeated abuse better than OEM, but they won't stop quicker.
My Dixcels bite harder for less pedal pressure, an withstand repeated abuse better than OEM, but they won't stop quicker.
The lower pedal pressure and different pad compound allows you to modulate the pedal pressure more effectively and therefore get much closer to the lock up point but without actually locking the tyres.
03-16-2013, 06:28 AM
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I think what is a placebo is a lot of people make the mistake of only upgrading the front, which means the car dives forward more and is probably more likely to lock up the front wheels, and that makes it feel like more is happening when you press the pedal even though your stopping distance is probably longer. And the other thing is performance pads give you a more immediate response and more solid pedal, which again makes you feel like you have better brakes.
03-16-2013, 07:58 AM
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So let me get this straight, 2 identical s2000's (one fitted with OEM brakes and the other with in this instance Dixcel's) accelerate to exactly the same speed and start braking at exactly the same time, both cars would come to a stop at exactly the same point?? That just seems absurd
03-16-2013, 08:29 AM
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I would say yes.
The primary difference is that you could repeat that test 10+ times, and the Dixcels will remain the same distance wise, whereas the OEM would increase due to fading.
The primary difference is that you could repeat that test 10+ times, and the Dixcels will remain the same distance wise, whereas the OEM would increase due to fading.
03-16-2013, 08:35 AM
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So let me get this straight, 2 identical s2000's (one fitted with OEM brakes and the other with in this instance Dixcel's) accelerate to exactly the same speed and start braking at exactly the same time, both cars would come to a stop at exactly the same point?? That just seems absurd
03-16-2013, 08:44 AM
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So let me get this straight, 2 identical s2000's (one fitted with OEM brakes and the other with in this instance Dixcel's) accelerate to exactly the same speed and start braking at exactly the same time, both cars would come to a stop at exactly the same point?? That just seems absurd
03-16-2013, 10:47 AM
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So let me get this straight, 2 identical s2000's (one fitted with OEM brakes and the other with in this instance Dixcel's) accelerate to exactly the same speed and start braking at exactly the same time, both cars would come to a stop at exactly the same point?? That just seems absurd
The initial retardation rate would be higher and ultimate braking would be closer to the lock up point so the car would stop in a shorter distance.