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Which Model? VSA or not?

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Old Sep 18, 2009 | 11:07 PM
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Hi,

Still on the lookout for an S2000. I had convinced myself to go for a non fly-by-wire model to allow me the option of fitting forced induction later on. However, if forced induction was not a future requirement, which model is best (no fly-by-wire or fly-by-wire, non VSA or VSA?).

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Old Sep 19, 2009 | 01:16 AM
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For FI dreams. Normal throttle without VSA.
It is easiest.

Otherwise... get the best S your money will buy.

I have had both Non VSA and VSA spec S's.
I'll stick with VSA - It was impressive to see VSA kick in on the Honda technology day @ Rockingham.

If your budget won't stretch to a VSA car - You can add Racelogic traction control for circa
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Old Sep 19, 2009 | 02:10 AM
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with some of that

VSA was an option from 06 and I think became std in 08, only on DBW cars.
I sold a DBW/VSA car to get a cable car so I could supercharge it.
I have Racelogic fitted to it.
Whilst it doesn't control the brakes like the VSA it does have adjustable intervention unlike VSA
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Old Sep 19, 2009 | 02:16 AM
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Good point.
Depending on the model of the Racelogic unit - you can dial in some slippage before it kicks in.


And you cannot add Racelogic to a DBW car - as we believe ( not sure it is proven ) it will result in a blackpool illuminations on your dash - and the car may enter "limp mode".
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Old Sep 19, 2009 | 02:39 AM
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ANY model give adjustment, the digital version give smaller increments
Yep I believe it doesn't like DBW cars (or vica versa )
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Old Sep 19, 2009 | 09:17 AM
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VSA/RLTC nothing alike really are they.
VSA applies brakes on the inner wheels for example to prevent or recover a slip situation.
TC will only back off throttle, so more useful for applying power on circuit or wet roads. It wont 'reel the car in' if you lift mid-bend on the wet motorway ramp etc.

VSA if this is your first S2000, it may save your arse once the winter hits soon.

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Old Sep 20, 2009 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by m1bjr,Sep 19 2009, 06:17 PM
VSA/RLTC nothing alike really are they.
VSA applies brakes on the inner wheels for example to prevent or recover a slip situation.
TC will only back off throttle, so more useful for applying power on circuit or wet roads. It wont 'reel the car in' if you lift mid-bend on the wet motorway ramp etc.

VSA if this is your first S2000, it may save your arse once the winter hits soon.

There is some common features
They both prevent wheel spin
They both cut power
They both monitor differential in ABS sensor speeds
RLTC will do it in increments you can select, VSA won't
VSA has two yaw sensors for further feedback
VSA will apply indiviual brakes RLTC does not apply brakes.

Having done significant mileage with both I said VSA if you are not going FI.
If you want FI get a pre 06 car and fit RLTC.
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Old Sep 20, 2009 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mikey k,Sep 20 2009, 08:33 PM
There is some common features
While Mikey's grammar are piss poor
His advice is sage.

If I was considering FI.
I would either go the Mase Turbo route - or clone Mikey's setup.
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Old Sep 20, 2009 | 11:44 AM
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there be some same stuff to
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Old Sep 20, 2009 | 12:16 PM
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As I knew my S2000 would be my daily driver all year round, and be my first RWD car, I waited until VSA became available on the car. I am pleased to have it. I do not intend modifying the engine so that was not a consideration. I have to drive along untreated roads to reach work and it has been very helpful on several occasion in the winter. I still had to spend 2 nights at work when the car couldn't make it out of the car park in February though.
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