[QUOTE=ge2,Oct 24 2007, 12:49 PM] It's probably worth bearing in mind that

 

You're not that naive surely?

The idea of someone thinking they can suddenly slide the S about safely because they've fitted traction control and Eddie and Michael say so in a quote on a website is very very scary.

 

Of course

 

At least half the fun of taking this car on track is in balancing the traction with the power oversteer on the exits of corners whilst maintaining a line, at least it is for me. It's so rewarding when you get it right. I'm happy to accept that a computer can do a better job of it than me (I'm a software engineer, I'm certain of it), but what's the point? Trackdays aren't about setting the best lap time, they're about fun.

I think where people trip up is they think of the throttle and steering as independent. To drive fast you have to be able to use both controls in unison according to what you feel in your ears and through the seat whilst staying within the line you want to take for the corner. TC takes the throttle away from you, so you now only have limited control of the car. Why not program the corner into a computer and let it handle the steering too?

But I have heard lots of good things about Race Logic, if you want to use it to make you faster round a track. I'm just not convinced that taking away feel and control from the driver can be said to be a safety measure.

 

Me I decided a while a go I was going to fit this myself whilst installing the AEM EMS over the winter.

On low on the road and fiddle on the track

 

Sorry, I have not said that and am not saying anything of the kind.

I am saying it is a tool for enjoying the car safely if you are not a 'Driving God' and even Eddie and Michael seem to think it has its uses.

The old 'Driver Training' thing always comes up but the vast majority of people don't have the time or the inclination.

They just don't want to put the car backwards into a hedge due to one silly mistake and at the same want to enjoy driving it spiritedly without the fear of doing so.

Folks spend fortunes on exhausts, intakes etc which probably on the whole are detrimental to the performance of the car.

 

Totally accept what you are saying.

I was not thinking of this for track use although I believe from what I have read at the 20% setting it will allow you plenty of room to balance the car on the throttle but catch the car before it spins.

Rain and snow, and catching silly human mistakes are what it is about for me.

Recent thread about the the guy in the states who maimed a motorcyclist and a members on here who have damaged or written off their cars due to a too early and too large application of the throttle are key for me.
Due to the adjust ability hopefully a safety net not an infringement to enjoying the car.

 

on a different note and their fwd but i have tc on my passat - it flashes a lot espcially on wet roundabouts.... turn it off and you go go straight on!

my civic has vsa you can just throw that into roundabouts and hang on with the throttle flat down

in the s i take it easy but sometimes i want to make quick safe progress, i feel this is were the race logic tc would help me?

 

Switch it on for scary wet torrential rain and icey days, turn it off in good conditions and for track days.

Actually, I have driven an RX8 on a very wet track day and it was great fun driving 100% with the TC switched on... from the flickering I could tell it was working hard, but I was able to get on the power much earlier than without.

Unless you are a perfect driving god who never makes a mistake traction control / ESP / VSA is a great device to have.

Amazing that Honda are the only mass car manufacturer not fitting this device as standard to their performance cars.... well the S2000 and only in the UK is it not standard. Even Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini etc all fit as standard.

Ironoically I don't have it fitted to my S2000 - why? Well because I was impatient. Choice of waiting 12-18 weeks for my new car, or 3 weeks... I chose 3 weeks.

I do wish I had VSA for the scary rainy days. Having said that, I have been driving a 350Z roadster for the last week, and I have not been concentrating on the road as I do in my S2000. I have also been hammering it on roundabouts with the TC light flickering constantly - but a 3.5 litre engine with a shit load of low down torque is going to cause the traction to break a lot easier the the F20C.

 

I drove an FTO (FWD) with TC once and it would cut the power too much and for too long. The result was it could give you lift off oversteer. Doh!

My Vectra had TC too, but that would do nothing. I remember pulling out of a junction in very wet conditions going nowhere with both front wheels spinning and the TC light blinking on the dash.