RE11's are on their way out. So if you can still get them...the issue of replacing them may present itself, as you'll almost surely wear out the rears faster than the fronts. Or if you have some outlying issue like an unrepairable flat tyre, etc.

But...they are very good overall.

The MPSS is a currently available suggestion for tyres. The dry grip probably isn't too far off from the RE11. Wet grip is probably better with the MPSS...and since the tread lasts longer, so does the wet grip. The RE11 responds to inputs faster, however.

 

First off the misinformation isn't just you. Its more the original owner not having a clue what he was doing or had on the car.

Your experience is with your 1 car. I have rolled the fenders on numerous S2000's since I have been doing so for 4 years. I have seen pretty much all range of setups in doing this and seen plenty of damaged fenders from exactly what I am describing and exactly what you claim isn't what happens. I can tell you in every instance where a fender was damaged it was from the tire grabbing the fender lip in the front (an off track event is a bit of a different situation since no amount of rolling would save the fender in that case). Most of the ones I have seen are from the person going into or out of a driveway with the wheel turned and the tire catching the fender lip. But do and believe whatever you want. I am sure everyone will have the exact same experience as you.

 

Things I said:



How you replied:


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Oh, damn. I see. are the mpss also by bridgestone? if yes under what model. because i cannot find that mpss under tire rack. a link would be helpful!
and what about DIREZZA ZII STAR SPEC?

 

And Manga i did see your sticky about the fenders, seems legit and looks pretty good. Still i wouldn't want to do it myself. But i will get it done before i change out the tires.

 

Yeah I wouldn't suggest doing it yourself unless you really want to learn how to do it. I had to learn since I didn't have other options and then I had the tools so I started rolling others fenders.

 

MPSS = Michelin Pilot Super Sport (not to be confused with pilot sport 2 or pilot sport AS).

Direzza Z2 didn't impress me....and they're not brilliant for daily use. They'll last forever. But...for a supercharged street car, they may hit the sweet spot if you're ready for a lot of noise and harshness. For me, the wet traction diminished very quickly. But that is a common characteristic of any EP tire.

 

Yea no i wouldn't want to try tbh. especially since i don't have a roller and don't plan on doing fenders for other people. Thank you!

 

MPSS = Michelin Pilot Super Sport (not to be confused with pilot sport 2 or pilot sport AS).

Direzza Z2 didn't impress me....and they're not brilliant for daily use. They'll last forever. But...for a supercharged street car, they may hit the sweet spot if you're ready for a lot of noise and harshness. For me, the wet traction diminished very quickly. But that is a common characteristic of any EP tire.
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oh i see okay, yea then no z2 for me. Is there any other EP tire that will be good? Because I'm not planning of driving the car in the rain but like i said if it rains i rather be safe than sorry. The MPSS i checked out are pretty good! Good reviews! hows the handling with those tires? similar to the RE11's?
Some people are saying that the sidewalls are too soft on those... but they are extremely safe in the wet as well... which is really good. I don't mind loosing some dry traction to gain a lot of wet traction in return. for that purpose alone now I'm leaning towards the MPSS's.

 

Hope this helps, might save you a bunch of time. Much of the data thatfollows was compiled over a year of searching for a solution. I havestock, OEM, un-rolled fenders and have to keep them that way because my car waspainted when new, Mercedes Red and my local shops think it is too risky to tryto roll them. Can't afford a paint crack/chip during a roll. Car came with StoptechST-40/328 BBK which are great brakes. I think the Wildwood and others aresimilar in size depending on number of pistons, but you need to check.

It has been SO VERY painfuland I can now say I have done final tests and fittings. There is someGREAT info on S2Ki already but I found a lot of it to be guesses and Bull S andjust plain wrong. There are still some unproven claims and some thatflip-flop both ways. I will say that in hindsight and after doinghundreds of hours on forums and talking to others, I probably wouldn't do theBBK kit on THIS car again. The OEM brake calipers with the right pads andchanging to something like Stoptech rotors yields more than adequateperformance for this car. I have 4-piston Brembo's on all four corners ofmy Volvo V70R which has allowed me to completely embarrass virtually all othercars at Summit Point on a track day. With active suspension, all-wheeldrive and the killer brakes, I found 300hp and 295tq to be adequate. Ipassed BMW's, Porsches and even a Ferrari at the end of the day. He wasVERY unhappy that a red Volvo wagon was eating up his bumper for a whole lapand he HAD to point me by on the straight. My best track day.

The first list is prettydamn right. The guideline of what fits was from someone else and was"safe" numbers with OEM fenders. There is a offset guide whichis useful. As you get towards the last parts of this it is just randomnotes that haven't been edited. Some is things that I thought worked andlater I determined they wouldn't in my opinion.

So, the "list"does NOT deal with height, so deviating from OEM height can be drastic. Also, does NOT take into account fender rolling or pulling, it is justwhat clears the BBK. If your fenders are OEM, there is only one possiblechoice to go all square (a whole other subject) and if you stay staggered (probsmart) then you pretty much need 8" with +50 or more offset front ANDproper shape (the list) and NONE of this deals with BBK issue for the rear, Idon't know. All of this is front only.

Here are the three setsI'm working with now:

1) Enkei GTC-01Hyperblack in 18x8 +48 and 18x9+40 with no spacers and plenty of clearance forthe BBK and they look/fit great with 225/255 and lowered 3/4" to 1"but I was getting some contact when loaded to capacity and/or pushing it. I've raised the car since having them on but haven't tried them again(yet). These came with my car when it was turbo making 400hp, they lookfantastic and I put a full, brand new set of Michelin Pilot Super Sports onthem which only have a few hundred miles on them, basically new. Not going back to boosted, so for sale at $2500.





2) Enkei PF01 Black in anear perfect 17x8+50 and 17x9+60. They clear by plenty, offsets are justhigh enough, and they are light and strong and cheap. Great pick. Mine currently have basically brand newHankook V4 front in 215/45 and V12 rear in 245/40 (OEM sizes). Bolt on, lots of clearance, clears BBK by alot, strong wheels but these tires are a LONG way from either the PSS above orS-04 below. Was planning to use thesefor track wheels but I have to change the tires out. $1400.



3) Volks Racing CE-028n Goldin 17x8.5+54 and 17x9+60. They clear by only a mm or two and while I'mvery nervous, I'm running them without the 3mm spacers I bought in case Ineeded them. I took off the original Sumitomo HTR’s which were awful andput a new set of Bridgestone S-04 correct tires on them and have really puttingthem through their paces. They are incredibly light (sub 16 pounds) andperhaps the strongest and best overall wheel made for this car. I’ve hadno caliper/wheel contact even though it is only 1-2mm but these wheels arestiff so works in favor of being safe. The tires are an excellent choice if you may have to drive in wet aswell as dry, I am VERY pleased with them. Perhaps they aren’t quite PSS but the PSS doesn’t come in a 255/40/17only 245 for the 17’s. These wheels arenot for sale, ever, no matter what. Theyare the PERFECT wheel for this car with BBK.



Here is my research on what fits with the BBK front and somecompiled documents, links and notes:

http://www.stoptech.com/docs/wheel-f...435-2430-00_FP

https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/342...fitment-guide/

http://marksink.com/tire_wheel_offset/offset.html

http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticl...ont-break.aspx

I'm going to amplify and re-post all that I've found out inthe last year researching for my car which has Stoptech on the front. These are the accumulated posts by a wholelot of people and represents the wheels which seem to clearly have beendemonstrated to clear the Stoptech basic kit.

Front only, Clears Stoptech ST-40/328 BBK

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-949 Racing 6ulr 17x9 +48

-Advan RZ, RGll (or RG2) 17x9 +45 clear the 328mm stoptechBBK -They fit with plenty of clearance.

-Advan RS 17x8.5 +50 clears and with a 225/45/17 claims norubbing, lowered to 2 finger gap and stock front camber.

-AME TM-02 Tradition in 17x9 +54 or 17x9 +44 (Go Tuning)

-BBS LM 17x8 +40 Add BBS LM 17"x8" +40mm to thelist, approximately 2mm clearance no spacer.

-Enkei NT03 17x9.5 +44 and +38

-Enkei GTC01 17x9.5 +38 (passed with flying colors)

-Enkei RPF1 17x8 +50

-Enkei PF01 17x8.5 +40

-Enkei PF01 17x8 +50 (with limited room for wheel weights,careful with placement)

-Prodrive GC-07 17x8.5 +54

-Prodrive 17x9 +50 doclear, (Samed in DC)

-Rota Boost 17x8 +48 offset wheels all round clear Stoptech328x28 BBK NO Spacers

-Rota Grids 17x9 +42 clear by a mile.

-Rota Torque 17x 7.5" +45

-Rota DPT RE30 17x9.5 +40

-TSW Nurburgring 17x9 +63 (only square option, stock height& fenders? Rub inside)

-Wedssport tc105n 17x8 +32

-wedsport tc105n 17x9 +35, +42 or +49 (by a couple of mm's,some say no, most yes)

-Work Emotion XT7 17x8 +42 or +44 (note** 17x9 does NOTfit-concave)

-Work Emotion CR KAI 17x8 +47, and 17x9 +44 -(roll rearfenders if lower than stock, clears BBK)

-Volk Racing TE37s 17x8.5 +40

-Volk Racing RE30 17x9 +40

-Volk Racing ce28n 17x9 +40

-Volk Racing ce28n 17x9.5 +50 barely (have to be verycareful with wheel weight placement)

As I said, I think you have VERY limited choices if you aren't going to roll your fenders, most of this list will require fender work. The PF01 or CE28n work in 17". The GTC-01 as above is my only experience in 18" with the BBK and OEM fenders.

An excellent companion tool posted here for recommendationswith OEM (non-rolled) fenders.

For the front:

Offsets lower than +43 are not recommended on the frontbecause a very narrow tire would need to be used to avoid rubbing.

+43 to +47 offset: 205 tires, 6.5" - 7.5" widewheel

+48 to +52 offset: 215 tires, 7.0" - 8.0" widewheel

+53 to +57 offset: 225 tires, 7.0" - 8.0" widewheel

+58 to +62 offset: 235 tires, 7.5" - 8.5" widewheel

+63 or higher offset: 245 tires, 7.5" - 8.5" widewheel

For the rear:

Offsets below 40 are not recommended for the rear because atire narrower than the stock tire would need to be used to avoid rubbing.

+40 to +44 offset: 235 tires, 7.5" - 8.5" widewheel

+45 to +49 offset: 245 tires, 7.5" - 9.0" widewheel

+50 to +54 offset: 255 tires, 8.0" - 9.5" widewheel

+55 to +59 offset: 265 tires, 8.5" - 9.5" widewheel

+60 to +64 offset: 275 tires, 9.0" - 10.0" widewheel

+65 or higher offset: 285 tires, 9.0" - 10.0" widewheel

Make sure you always check the hub size when shopping. If you desire to go "all square"then you need ALL of the wheels to be over 70.1 and you should buy nylon orplastic centering rings to fit your wheels and the hubs.

S2000 hub size (70.1mm front, 64.1mm rear)

front 70.1mm ID

rear 64.15mm ID

This is a big deal, you need to know size, offset, AND hubbore!

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Generic statements by others:

A square 17x9 +45 setup would require minor rolling in rear,and some decent rolling flaring up front(on OEM fenders). Or you can go 17x8/9 +45 and have less work.

No! The 17x9 +45 rpf1's do not clear. Same goes for the 17x9+44 work emotions whereas the 17x8 +44 DOES clear. weird, but the 17x9 variantsconcave and prohibit the stoptechs from clearing.

Note that the Enkei RFP1 17x8 +45 generally is quoted asclearing, but one good posts recommends a 3mm spacer because their clearancewas less than a credit card's clearance and not the recommended 2mm space.

Advan RS 17x8.5 +50 clears and with a 225/45/17 claims norubbing, lowered to 2 finger gap and stock front camber.

*AME TM-02 Tradition in 17x9 +54 and +44

----AME TRACER TM-02 TRADITION WHEELS 17x9.0 +54 - Weighs~19 lbs (Fits Stoptech and other similarly sized BBK)

-AME TRACER TM-02 TRADITION WHEELS 17x9.0 +44 - Weighs ~19lbs (Fits any BBK)

http://www.gotuning.com/product_info...oducts_id=1382, Go Tuning exclusive made by Enkei using theMat process

It is very hard to fit any wide wheels to clear bbk set up withstock fenders . It is nearlyimpossible. You are going to have tokeep the car at almost stock height and super thin tires. it’s just not worth the trouble. You need to either roll the fenders, getwider fenders, and run about -2.5 to -3 camber to accomplish this. The s2000 just isn’t forgiving for fittingbrake calipers with stock oem fenders. Even with the 17x 9 +54 you will need to roll your fenders and runnegative camber.

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*Prodrive GC-07 17x8.5 +54. It clears ST-40s (by a lot) andclears the fender without any work, its quite close depending on your camber. Iran between 2 and 2.5 degrees of camber and a 245 tire (Bridgestone PotenzaRE-01R, pretty wide shoulder). It did manager to hit the fender liner undercompression once and break the tabs connecting the liner to the fender.

Prodrive GC07C

Currently available in the following sizes and offsets forS2000 fitment:

17x7.5 +44 - Weighs ~15.5 lbs (Will clear Endless and Spooncalipers)

17x7.5 +48 - Weighs ~15.5 lbs (Recommended S2000 Front, Willfit Stoptech and Brembo calipers)

17x8.5 +54 - Weighs ~16 lbs (Recommended S2000 Rear, Canalso be used for the front for non-staggered setups and will clear all BBKs)

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*Rays 57 Motorsport g07wt 17x9 +45 wheel and have plenty of clearance. my t1rbbk has maybe 1/2" clearance.

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*TSW Nurburgring 17x9 +63

TSW Interlagos 17x9 +63 (may require a tiny spacer)

---TSW Nurburgring 17x9 +63

Not sure what will work for you. I ran a decent amount of neg camber, slightlyrolled my fenders, have a front swaybar and coilovers. I still get rubbing on the inside fender infront at the track. For normal orspirited driving on the street I think you can probably get away with neg cam,coilovers and 245s.

I think with stock height, 245's may well work. You might need a little more camber than whatcomes stock, but not lots of it.

i have the same setup, same size just different wheels(6ulr's) and also lowered by an inch or so. the front right wheel hits thefender when i hit large potholes. i need a fender roll and im guessing youwould too. on stock ride height there was absolutely no problem with that sizewheels and the 255/40/17 rs3s

I have 17x9+63 255 all around. Rears will fit no problem.Fronts will fit but under full lock you will rub on the inside. A 3mm slip onspacer solved this issue for me. Depending on your ride height, your frontswill rub on the fenders liners (not fenders themselves).

I track a set of 17x9 with 255/40s. My car has KW CS andRaceComp FSB. I rub on the plastic fender liner (not much of it left) but otherthan that it works fine.

I'm running 17x9 +63 in matte bronze with 255/40/17 (used tohave hankook v12, currently Nitto NT555). Before installing coilovers, Irelocated bumper tabs in rear but did no modifications to the front. Only underfull lock does the inside of the driver wheel scrape along the upper A-arm. Nobig damage was done just slight scratching on the inside wheel lip which isnever seen. No front roll was required.

I then lowered a couple inches on Ground Control coilovers.I recommend rolling your fronts if you're lowered so you don't end up like meand catch the edge of the fender on the tire and it gets pulled out.

Rota Grid 17x9 +42

*Wedsport TC105N 17x9 +49

*Anything Volk in 17x9 +40ish

The CE28 17x9 +54 will not clear Stop Tech BBK. It clearsthe Spoons by the thickness of a piece of paper.

The CE 17x9.5 +47 Clears the Spoons by a lot and is a muchbetter width for 255x40x17. 17x10 is actually the best for that size tire

Running the ST-40 on my car, car was tracked in thefollowing configurations:

- Volk CE28 17x9 +40

- Volk RE30 17x9 +40

- Prodrive GC-07 17x8.5 +54

All wheels have plenty of clearance (spokes to caliper)

Volk se37k 17x9 +40 Fits stock fenders with 255 (rolled andslight pull)

should fit a 245 with a good roll

17x8 ET44 requires a front roll

17x8.5 +51 w/245 front w/factory alignment will need a roll

-main issue when you go that high offset. you start to loselots of inner clearance . and than you start to lose the face and brakeclearance as well -

-The wheel you are looking for is like a unicorn. asking forbrake clearance, no fender modification whatsoever, as well as clearing bbk.there has to be a compromise.



NOW this is the part with the Fronts that are KNOWN/PostedNOT to clear ST-40

Volk CE28N 17x7.5 +50, They will not clear stop techswithout a spacer, but it will be able to run 225 255 without a roll

Enkei PF01 17x9 +60 do not fit

Wheels: Volk Racing CE28N Bronze S2000 Spec

Front: 17x7.5 +50 with 215/45R17 Nitto NT01, confirmed willNOT fit

Advan Racing RG-D 17x8 +54, I just checked the wheels andthey do not clear. Sorry.

949 racing 6ULRs, 17x9 +63, Checked, took pictures with template,does not clear faces.

I was seriously close to giving up on my dream 17"wheels fitting without any fender mods and also clearing my Stoptech ST-40 BBKin front until I found the PF01 8”+50 and 9” +60 and then the CE-28n.

I have got to say that Manga-Spawn is providing a tremendousamount of service and help on S2Ki and we need to all buy him a drink if weever meet at an event! Thank you, THANKYOU!!