Max performance vs Ultra performance
I was reading on TireRack today (seems like I'm always on that site) comparing the lap times of the different tires. From the tests run on the BMW 330CI, on Max Performance and Ultra High performance tires, the lap times are nearly identical. Both the Max and Ultra tires are capable of hitting 29-30 seconds on the lap times. Only a fraction of a second separates the two. So what is the advantage of getting the Max summer tires when the Ultra tires (read: cheaper) seemingly circle the track in the same amount of time?
Currently I'm using the Avon Tech M500's on my S, and am wondering if I will really notice a difference in handling and cornering speed, if I upgrade to the Bridgestone Potenza S03's.
For example
Avon M500 produced these numbers on the TireRack course in the 300CI
Slalom time dry: 4.20s
Slalom time wet: 4.59s
Lap time dry: 29.90s
Lap time wet: 32.28s
Dry skidpad: .95g
Bridgestone Potenza RE750
Slalom time dry: 4.20s
Slalom time wet: 4.62s
Lap time dry: 30.00s
Lap time wet: 32.62s
Dry skidpad: .94g
Bridgestone Potenza S-03 PP
Slalom time dry: 4.18s
Slalom time wet: 4.61s
Lap time dry: 29.79s
Lap time wet: 32.05s
Dry skidpad: .97g
Compare the times... the S-03 is only marginally better. So what gives? I would like to upgrade to Max performance tires but after reading this info, it doesn't seem like I can justify it.
Can Jim or anyone shed some light into this?
Currently I'm using the Avon Tech M500's on my S, and am wondering if I will really notice a difference in handling and cornering speed, if I upgrade to the Bridgestone Potenza S03's.
For example
Avon M500 produced these numbers on the TireRack course in the 300CI
Slalom time dry: 4.20s
Slalom time wet: 4.59s
Lap time dry: 29.90s
Lap time wet: 32.28s
Dry skidpad: .95g
Bridgestone Potenza RE750
Slalom time dry: 4.20s
Slalom time wet: 4.62s
Lap time dry: 30.00s
Lap time wet: 32.62s
Dry skidpad: .94g
Bridgestone Potenza S-03 PP
Slalom time dry: 4.18s
Slalom time wet: 4.61s
Lap time dry: 29.79s
Lap time wet: 32.05s
Dry skidpad: .97g
Compare the times... the S-03 is only marginally better. So what gives? I would like to upgrade to Max performance tires but after reading this info, it doesn't seem like I can justify it.
Can Jim or anyone shed some light into this?
Those performance differences seem like a lot to me.
.03 g more on the skip pad and .2-.5 sec faster lap times with just tires.
I wouldn't dump perfectly good tires to upgrade but if yours are worn and you want to maybe do a track day or maybe try out autox its worth it.
.03 g more on the skip pad and .2-.5 sec faster lap times with just tires.
I wouldn't dump perfectly good tires to upgrade but if yours are worn and you want to maybe do a track day or maybe try out autox its worth it.
Also, keep in mind that those times are for a very short 30 second course. Take those differences and expand them to a 1 or 2 minute lap and it adds up. Whether it's worth it or not is entirely a subjective decision.
Originally Posted by Ludedude,Oct 31 2004, 08:57 PM
Also, keep in mind that those times are for a very short 30 second course. Take those differences and expand them to a 1 or 2 minute lap and it adds up. Whether it's worth it or not is entirely a subjective decision.
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