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May 1, 2012 | 05:37 PM

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s2000Junky

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Originally Posted by s2000Junky' timestamp='1335552049' post='21649245

[quote name='deepbluejh' timestamp='1335546726' post='21648953']
You seem to have a real chip on your shoulder about these tires. I'm curious as to why you come to such a negative conclusion here when most everyone else who has used these on the S2000 seems happy with them.

The right tool for the right job, IMO. You wouldn't use these to autocross with the same way you wouldn't buy Hoosiers to drive to work on. I don't see what the big deal is.

Because they are a totally inferior constructed tire. They are fine for a Toyota corolla. But the S demands a stiff sidewall tire to handle properly and be safe. They were fitted with some of the stiffest constructed sidewall tires on the market right from the factory for a reason. The suspensions and set up of the car was built around a tire that doesn’t fold over under spirited driving and wont flex to such an amount under normal driving that causes overseer. A single ply sidewall like the v12 isnt even considered a decent handling tire, it’s unsafe on our car. Pull one off the shelf sometime and feel how flimsy they are and then grab any performance max or extreme summer dual ply sidewall tire and feel the huge difference. That difference translates directly to the road and how the car behaves in maneuvering. I tried a prox 4 single ply sidewall tire years ago before I new better (was looking for cheap and available) Just changing lanes at highway speed was a white knuckle experience. It felt like the rear end wanted to come around on me, swaying back and forth. I returned those pos the next day needless to say. The way I figure the v12 are popular is because they are cheap and the guys buying them just cruise their cars so they don’t know any different. There are other tires that are constructed right for our car which are the same price point as mentioned before, so it doesn’t make any sense why these would be chosen over those, except if people just didn’t know any better. Nothing annoys me more then blatant ignorance. Cant afford proper tires, you shouldnt have bought a car that comes with them. Sorry

The tires in question ARE Max Performance Summer Tires. They ARE two-ply. The Proxes 4 is an Ultra Performance All-Season tire. It isn't even in the same class as these tires. If you're driving over the limit of a tire like this on the street, you shouldn't have a license.

Also, how can you judge others for buying reasonably priced tires and then suggest a tire in the same price range/class?
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Sorry, but the sidewalls on the v12 are single ply sir, and that's my issue. They are too flimsy to be a predictable handler on a stiff short wheel base car like the s2000. Has nothing to do with snobbery. It has to do with picking a wiser performing choice for the money. They are out there. Period!

May 1, 2012 | 05:38 PM

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s2000Junky

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Nothing annoys me more then blatant ignorance.

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May 1, 2012 | 08:40 PM

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blasphemy101

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Sorry, but the sidewalls on the v12 are single ply sir, and that's my issue. They are too flimsy to be a predictable handler on a stiff short wheel base car like the s2000. Has nothing to do with snobbery. It has to do with picking a wiser performing choice for the money. They are out there. Period!

I'll admit I was just going off the description given on tirerack.com. That said, from what I've seen, sidewall stiffness is often a matter of preference. Some people like stiff sidewalls, because of the better response they offer, but others could care less. There are many worse tires available, and it's not like the S2000 has some sort of magical, sidewall-shredding device. It may BENEFIT from a tire with a stiffer sidewall, but it's not like the V12s are incompatible with the S2000. I've been DDing my S since February of last year on the same garbage Falkens the PO put on it, and I've managed to keep it on the road, but I will concede that their performance on the Autox course seems to be sub-par.

I'll reiterate that no one should be driving on the street to the point that sidewall stiffness becomes a safety concern.

Nothing comparable comes close to the current rebate price of the Hankooks, either.

I'm not saying they are the best tires you can buy for our cars, but I do feel they are one of the best deals available, considering cost/performance(and it's subsequent safety, give the s2k's handling characteristics).

May 2, 2012 | 06:49 AM

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ZDan

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Here's what Car and Driver said, testing them on a much heavier car than the S2k, where lack of sidewall stiffness would be exacerbated:

“Deceptively quick” is a good summation of the Hankook Ventus V12 Evos because they often didn’t feel as strong as they actually were, particularly in the dry. Their fourth-place autocross time wasn’t spectacular, but they did outlap the benchmark Michelin PS2s. Geswein said the Hankooks felt “somewhat soft” and “imprecise,” although they were forgiving, yielding consistent laps with no surprises. Despite that feeling of softness, the V12 Evos somehow managed a second-place skidpad run of 0.93 g and were above average in braking. Hankook just launched a new extreme-performance Ventus R-S3 model, which wasn’t available in time for this test but likely has sharper dry responses.

In the wet, however, the V12s were as sporty and connected as they come, with grip second only to the PS2s’ and the best braking. The Hankooks were extremely consistent, likely because they were so well-behaved, which made them easy to drive quickly. Subjectively, they felt the best around the track, even though their time trailed slightly behind the Dunlops’.

With above-average wet and dry performances, and tying for quietest on the street loop, the V12 Evo is an impressive and well-rounded summer tire. And, at $106, it’s a bargain, too.

From here: http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...12-evo-page-10

May 2, 2012 | 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by deepbluejh' timestamp='1335546726' post='21648953

You seem to have a real chip on your shoulder about these tires. I'm curious as to why you come to such a negative conclusion here when most everyone else who has used these on the S2000 seems happy with them.

The right tool for the right job, IMO. You wouldn't use these to autocross with the same way you wouldn't buy Hoosiers to drive to work on. I don't see what the big deal is.

im sorry man but you make it sound like these tires will cause your S to blow up

Im all about quality and spending money on the right parts etc but Ive ridden in other vehicles and other s2k's that have had these tires installed and they were perfectly fine both on the track and for daily driving. Sure they dont deliver the performance of an rs3 at the track but who made that comparison? This tire is for the budget minded person that wants decent capabilities in both the dry and wet that doesn't want to break the bank. This tire is for a daily driver/weekend carver that wants some performance benefit while incorporating a smooth quiet riding tire, if you plan on exceeding the abilities of a max performing tire on the road then you probably shouldnt be driving at all. Ive driven cars with crap visa tires and while those wouldnt grip if someones life depended on it I would hardly call it a "white knuckle" experience while changing lanes on the highway.