hey hey hang about a tick

austblue - there isn't much you can do about it unfortunately; but everyone gets found out sooner or later. Can i do his job? Well he's started recently only in the last 3 months. He hasn't done anything I couldn't do, and hasn't done anything outstanding whereby showing his so called wealth of experience - all talk pretty much. Good work as a result of his management? Bull####. My good work is a result of my own dedication and passion for what i do. When i stuff up i no doubt know i'll take the wrap for it but i'm very thorough and never stuff up badly. From the way your putting things you sound like a manager who has taken credit for someone elses good work in the past. Give credit where it is due - our last manager used to go to effort to make us look good from the quality work we were going and gave us the credit where it was deserved.

Vuey - mangement under pressure. Cocks mate, not here they arent. We are under the pressure. We are delivering all the implementations and projects, doing all the hard yards and technical work, for someone else to go and claim it all as their work and all their ideas - when they infact added near nothing. He only exists here because of me and 2 other ppl - if we were to all leave at once he would be out the door very shortly after.

 

Nice assumption. No I'm not a manager, I'm just generally not one to look at a situation and feel sorry for myself then post about it on the internet and do nothing else. I'm in construction and the team I'm in doesn't tend to take credit for things so much as get it done and pull together. I guess that's why I love my job right now.

I have been in those situations though and I just did what I had to to get by.

For eg. Project leader was an incompetent dick and went on leave dropping me in it. I kept a detailed diary and submitted all of my work directly to the client then asked him to give me a review. On top of that I continually liaised with seniors that I had previously worked with for advice on how to handle some of the more political situations. As it turned out he tried to put shit on me when he came back but all of my evidence made him look incompetent and the client backed me up.

Another time a different manager on the same job came down to run us over a presentation that covered goals we were to be working towards. I just told him I had nfi what he'd just said and asked him why my manager (who was in the room) wouldn't have told me about that in the 6 months I'd been working there. Didn't he look silly

You have to be very careful though, you're part of a team and if you are too much of an "I did this I did that" you'll never go anywhere. You should also know when its good to put the boss in the shit and when its not. If he plays golf with his boss you'd better tell him he's a genius

 

Management is always under pressure. A good manager never shows his team that he is in deep shit, but he also should make his team feel needed and appreciated.

A lot of the time with management, if the people below a manager leave (yet he's been getting kudos for everything), he'll just be reassigned. He won't be made redundant. Not with the way the IT industry is at the moment anyway.

 

^^^ yep.... perfect example of our global architect... been re-assigned to the USA... hehehe

 

i started as the purchasing officer , in 10months, i got promoted to Purchasing manager and in 2.5 yrs with this company , i am now the Operations manager

as in alot of situations, i just did what needed to be done, knew my shit and it shined thru to management . So keep working your arse off and you will be rewarded . Always keep a positive attitude and you'll get what is coming to you

Wilch
we get into tough situations every day , but its the way i handle the situation that my boss is most pleased with , i find i get results by giving everyone time and treating like adults , rather than talk down to people . When i have a problem with an employee , i take the time to sit down with them in private and talk thru what i think they are doing wrong , if that doesnt work i get into the process of managing them out.

 

what?? i merely just stated the fact, nothing else. Construction is different compared to I.T so i'm not sure we are on the same level here. Firstly This guy is supposed to be a senior DBA, so its not like he's in a pure management role like service delivery, project manager or operations manager etc, Senior DBA is a highly technical role. From speaking with him he is constantly tripping himself up talking sh!t.

I understand there is no I in team and myself and my other 2 team members work extremely closely and well together - Between us there is nothing we cant do. It would be ok if he said 'yeah WE (referring to the team) managed to resolve the issue' but instead it is 'I fixed/found the solution the issue' and 'I did the root cause analysis', 'I did the work out of hours' when it wasnt him! Our last manager moved on unfortunately and he was a top bloke in both his managament style, outstanding technical skills and most importantly looked after us. The only reason he has to claim all our work is because he hasn't had any achievements himself since he arrived.

Senior management already have an idea what he is like as he has been playing our skills down and talking himself up. I dont mind him talking himself up but you have to prove yourself first, i'm yet to see these so called expert skills that he claims almost daily, instead he steals our ideas.

You say awww i'm not one to post and do nothing about it - Only an idiot would bother trying to challenge the manager on an issue like this. Unfortunately IT is full of bullshit artists - the thing is that they all get found out sooner or later.

 

What you are saying is that he is NOT your manager but rather your team leader as he is still supposed to do work himself. A real manager doesn't do any of the work because managing is a full time job.

IT is full of made up titles. 'Manager' doesn't mean squat in most places although it means more than the ever so popular 'Senior' in front of the title. It is just a tactic that employer use to make IT fellas feel more important.

 

That fact is it?

Like I said there's different ways to deal with different people and their issues but if you're as good as you say you are vote with your feet and grab a new job or promotion.

 

[QUOTE=cashout,Nov 16 2007, 10:34 PM] IT is full of made up titles. 'Manager' doesn't

 

I had one job during my Uni days with the title "Computer Lab Supervisor". All I did all day long was put paper on the printers and change the toner. And there I thought the "Supervisor" bit on the title was a step up from "printer operator" , which was my title for the exact same job at another company. The only real upside was that the Computer Lab had laser printers and not mammoth chain driven impact printers (same speed as a laser printer of the time - 5ppm but many many times noisier and used continuous forms)