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Originally Posted by Birel186,Jun 30 2009, 06:01 PM
No, from what i remember they payed like 20 million pounds to a marketing firm to find sponsors and they decided to go with the concept of Green instead.
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Originally Posted by matrix,Jul 1 2009, 11:29 AM
Yes I am correct - glad you have finally come around...
I was referring to the failed attempt to make it look like BGP had no engineering talent.
to Ferrari for doing what they've accomplished under such short notice, but they're only as competitive so far (not really) as BAR used to be 
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the formula of a championship winning team includes many many variables. money alone is never the way to win. and before Mr. Matrix jumps in. this also applies to Ferrari glory days.
if we simplify the case, its like a coin. there is no coin with one face. one side is money, and the flip side happens to be Human talent.
Honda had alot of the variables including engineering talent and money long ago. but they missed the management and strategic side of the story. RB has a major contribution to the team. but if the team wasnt good already, RB alone or money alone cant turn around everything. RB wasnt lucky as Matrix says. he was smart. he knows which teams have the potential. and he joind them and exploited their abilities. its not a coincidence that three teams he joins win the championship!!
i think many points are agreed between many people in this thread. but one thing is not shared between me and some posters. Hate to BGP.
TO ALL HATERS, you are the ones who are living in denial. not the BGP and Honda fans who are enjoing the great 2009 season
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Originally Posted by matrix,Jul 1 2009, 10:22 AM
That dream team still managed to lose 2 championships...
and wasn't it the systems and people he put in place that ensure Kimi regained the glory for Ferrari
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Originally Posted by suzukablueS2000,Jul 1 2009, 01:13 PM
the formula of a championship winning team includes many many variables. money alone is never the way to win. and before Mr. Matrix jumps in. this also applies to Ferrari glory days.
if we simplify the case, its like a coin. there is no coin with one face. one side is money, and the flip side happens to be Human talent.
Honda had alot of the variables including engineering talent and money long ago. but they missed the management and strategic side of the story. RB has a major contribution to the team. but if the team wasnt good already, RB alone or money alone cant turn around everything. RB wasnt lucky as Matrix says. he was smart. he knows which teams have the potential. and he joind them and exploited their abilities. its not a coincidence that three teams he joins win the championship!!
i think many points are agreed between many people in this thread. but one thing is not shared between me and some posters. Hate to BGP.
TO ALL HATERS, you are the ones who are living in denial. not the BGP and Honda fans who are enjoing the great 2009 season
if we simplify the case, its like a coin. there is no coin with one face. one side is money, and the flip side happens to be Human talent.
Honda had alot of the variables including engineering talent and money long ago. but they missed the management and strategic side of the story. RB has a major contribution to the team. but if the team wasnt good already, RB alone or money alone cant turn around everything. RB wasnt lucky as Matrix says. he was smart. he knows which teams have the potential. and he joind them and exploited their abilities. its not a coincidence that three teams he joins win the championship!!
i think many points are agreed between many people in this thread. but one thing is not shared between me and some posters. Hate to BGP.
TO ALL HATERS, you are the ones who are living in denial. not the BGP and Honda fans who are enjoing the great 2009 season
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Originally Posted by Vilstar,Jul 1 2009, 02:17 PM
I was referring to the failed attempt to make it look like BGP had no engineering talent.
That wasn't my attempt nor my suggestion - I have always said BGP did the right thing - it just cost them a boat load of money and they had an engineering head start...it was some of the BGP supporters who said Ferrari lacked the engineering skills.
Ferrari for doing what they've accomplished under such short notice, but they're only as competitive so far (not really) as BAR used to be
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Originally Posted by suzukablueS2000,Jul 1 2009, 04:13 PM
the formula of a championship winning team includes many many variables. money alone is never the way to win. and before Mr. Matrix jumps in. this also applies to Ferrari glory days.
if we simplify the case, its like a coin. there is no coin with one face. one side is money, and the flip side happens to be Human talent.
Honda had alot of the variables including engineering talent and money long ago. but they missed the management and strategic side of the story. RB has a major contribution to the team. but if the team wasnt good already, RB alone or money alone cant turn around everything. RB wasnt lucky as Matrix says. he was smart. he knows which teams have the potential. and he joind them and exploited their abilities. its not a coincidence that three teams he joins win the championship!!
i think many points are agreed between many people in this thread. but one thing is not shared between me and some posters. Hate to BGP.
TO ALL HATERS, you are the ones who are living in denial. not the BGP and Honda fans who are enjoing the great 2009 season
if we simplify the case, its like a coin. there is no coin with one face. one side is money, and the flip side happens to be Human talent.
Honda had alot of the variables including engineering talent and money long ago. but they missed the management and strategic side of the story. RB has a major contribution to the team. but if the team wasnt good already, RB alone or money alone cant turn around everything. RB wasnt lucky as Matrix says. he was smart. he knows which teams have the potential. and he joind them and exploited their abilities. its not a coincidence that three teams he joins win the championship!!
i think many points are agreed between many people in this thread. but one thing is not shared between me and some posters. Hate to BGP.
TO ALL HATERS, you are the ones who are living in denial. not the BGP and Honda fans who are enjoing the great 2009 season
Mr. suzukablueS2000 <---seriously what is up with the Mr.?????Funny thing is I agree with most everything you say - but you still don't get it that I am not a BGP hater.
As you correctly point out RB is a mastermind at strategy, so when he fixes a JB win over RB - why do the BGP supporters deny this? He did it all the time at Ferrari and I had no problem with it and stated that I am for team rules.
Yes RB was lucky - you are clearly disregarding the difuser fiasco. Remember the 7 teams asked about this type of a design and the FIA called it illegal, then reversed their decision when the protest came. If they would have kept to their original decision, BGP would be the team redesigning with no in season testing...the shoe would have been on the other foot.
You could argue that RB had insight to that but then that would mean they were tipped off - and I don't think you want to go down that road....
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Originally Posted by matrix,Jul 1 2009, 06:01 PM
Let's not forget that Ferrari are the WCC for the past 2 years and the only reason they are struggling is because of the unclear rules and the banning of in season testing. BAR - when were they WCC - oh wait... <--- (this is in fun)
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