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From: Erock's my boat!
Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Jul 26 2007, 04:48 PM
Huh? Are you trying to say you think the OJ verdict was correct?
not that i think murder and POSP are equivalent.
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Originally Posted by PLYRS 3,Jul 26 2007, 03:56 PM
oh, i understand mike....that was exactly what i was saying to matrix in some other thread.
the only crime M was guilty of was POSP....yet F did not initiate a criminal proceeding against M....why? probably cuz there's more to this than we know (and may ever know...)
all they did was start a civil proceeding against the coughlin guy. (and the criminal action against stepney, but that's their own business).
on top of that, i made the point that the theft of material (in the first place) was a far greater crime than the POSP....POSP is a subsequent crime, not a primary crime....and they are NOT equal in their weighting.
the only crime M was guilty of was POSP....yet F did not initiate a criminal proceeding against M....why? probably cuz there's more to this than we know (and may ever know...)
all they did was start a civil proceeding against the coughlin guy. (and the criminal action against stepney, but that's their own business).
on top of that, i made the point that the theft of material (in the first place) was a far greater crime than the POSP....POSP is a subsequent crime, not a primary crime....and they are NOT equal in their weighting.
Why did he lose his job, if he had nothing to do with the crime? Because corporate law is different than civil law. A company is responsible for the actions of it's employees....sheeesh, I thought we already went through this....
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Originally Posted by PLYRS 3,Jul 26 2007, 01:56 PM
yet F did not initiate a criminal proceeding against M
He is on a plane to Paris....
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Another example of a similar case is, as I mentioned earlier, the One World team a few years ago in the America's Cup. In fact, it was almost the exact same issue. It was claimed that even though the team had the secrets, they were never used.
One World was penalized very heavily just for having the secrets, and eventually was pretty much driven out of the competition. At the time the scandal broke they were the heavy favorites to win.
I remember at the time thinking this was unfair (since I was rooting for One World). Looking back -- unfair or not, you have to make it clear that this sort of ethical lapse simply is not tolerated. Period.
One World was penalized very heavily just for having the secrets, and eventually was pretty much driven out of the competition. At the time the scandal broke they were the heavy favorites to win.
I remember at the time thinking this was unfair (since I was rooting for One World). Looking back -- unfair or not, you have to make it clear that this sort of ethical lapse simply is not tolerated. Period.
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Jul 26 2007, 05:00 PM
Private parties don't initiate criminal proceedings. Governments do. And from what I've heard, the British and Italian governments are investigating the incident.
btw, they're not investigating M....just S and C.
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Originally Posted by PLYRS 3,Jul 26 2007, 04:09 PM
they did receive a punishment...probation.
"If it is found in the future that the Ferrari information has been used to the detriment of the championship, we reserve the right to invite Vodafone McLaren Mercedes back in front of the WMSC where it will face the possibility of exclusion from not only the 2007 championship, but also the 2008 championship."
nonetheless, you're naive if you think the two can't be mutually exclusive.
"If it is found in the future that the Ferrari information has been used to the detriment of the championship, we reserve the right to invite Vodafone McLaren Mercedes back in front of the WMSC where it will face the possibility of exclusion from not only the 2007 championship, but also the 2008 championship."
nonetheless, you're naive if you think the two can't be mutually exclusive.
that's not probation - that's an escape route for the FIA, when they figure out they screwed up yet again....
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Originally Posted by PLYRS 3,Jul 26 2007, 04:13 PM
LOL sorry, forgot to say that F didn't call the cops to lodge a criminal complaint, who would then take it to the crown, who would then file the actual charges.
btw, they're not investigating M....just S and C.
btw, they're not investigating M....just S and C.
