McL is a victim only of their stupidity. They clearly should have reported the infraction of Coughlan immediately, not work to cover it up.

Never will I believe this point of view that McL is a victim because they RECEIVED documents. They f'ing TOOK the documents. If Stephany had left them outside of Coughlan's house a case could be made that McL never received them, THAT IS NOT THE CASE. Coughlan not only received them, and told others he had them, but he decided he needed to make a CD of all these documents for what ever reason.

Implying McL is a victim because Ferrari gave them secret documents is just stupid Nimesh. We can craft any example we want, but the wrong was commited when Coughlan received the documents. McL is not a victim, they are the one clearly violating all sorts of laws and ethics, they are in the wrong, and they took specific actions to put themselves there.

Nimesh, argue with this all you want, bottom line is you will not change my mind because your point of view is just absurd. And, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME BEING A FERRARI FAN, it has everything to do with the fact that Coughlan willingly received the documents and proceded to review them.

 

Perhaps, yes. No law against that, though.

 

who's denying MC had them?

he had them as a rogue employee.

 

The only one with a vision problem here is you...

NS did harm Ferrari - hence he got fired.

McLaren harmed Ferrari because they had secret confidential info and did not report it immediately to the FIA <---stated once again to make sure you understand that this is the underlying problem.

McLaren was found GUILTY. Was Ferrari? No, why because there was nothing to the FIA to find Ferrari guilty of.

Simple....for most of us...

Still haven't answered my questions....

 

One wrong was committed then. Another wrong was committed when it was covered up. Another wrong was committed when they were used to try and gain an advantage (by filing a complaint). Etc.

That very first wrong (Coughlan receiving the documents) probably should have deserved only a minor punishment for the team. Probation maybe. Something like they got.

But all the other wrongs that were done showed that he was not just a rogue employee acting on his own. Instead, it was a failure of ethics of the company as a whole as well as the individuals involved in particular.

 

There are valid emails that can go between competitor...confidential info falls outside of that.

Should better security practices be put in place - yes...but that is not what we are discussing. You keep changing the subject, but I will pull you back....

McLaren were found GUILTY of having confidential stolen information belonging to Ferrari which they should have reported back in March. They did not...

 

If he was a rogue employee, why did McLaren not report this to the FIA back in March?

That would have cleared McLaren...but they did not do that now did they? They instead used the info to gain advantage....

Still not answering my questions!

 

Exactly! Pretty simple...for most of us.

 

And I'm not a Ferrari fan at all. But wrong is wrong, and McLaren receiving proprietary documents stolen from Ferrari is wrong.

What you are supposed to do in that case is immediately stop looking at the documents, emails, or whatever. You put as tight a seal as possible on it. Then you call your legal dept and you say, "we have a big problem". Then what your legal dept is supposed to do is take those documents and immediately alert the authorities. At all times the documents are supposed to remain sealed and unlooked at.

Even then your company can run risks of getting punished, but if you can show you handled it properly then you are pretty safe.

But if you read those documents, you have already failed the ethics test. Much less if you keep it secret for months. Much less if you decide to use that information against your competitor.

 

LOL

what advantage? by blowing the whistle on an illegal F part?

you can quote me 50 ways from sunday, fact of the matter is they did not receive the punishment YOU wanted them to receive...they got probation.

it doesn't reflect badly on you...no one's holding you responsible and you shouldn't take it personally.