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Old Aug 13, 2010 | 05:11 PM
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I'm guessing this will come in at a price below the GT500. It would be an attractive buy at $45k or less.
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Old Aug 13, 2010 | 06:59 PM
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Will it be under or over $50K?
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Old Aug 13, 2010 | 07:02 PM
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Sick car....I wouldnt mind getting a hold of a pony one day....


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Old Aug 13, 2010 | 07:07 PM
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Wow! That is super ugly! Did they give a 6 yr old an orange crayon and let him have his way at it??? Those wheels.. yikes!

I do like that super aggressive lip though (kudos to ford!)


But other than the looks of the laguna seca version, Ford has once again released an awesome version of the Mustang. I really think the Boss will come in just below 40K and the laguna seca version slighly above. Seems like Ford is following Chevy's model plan of the vette. Boss 302 = ZO6 (lighter and track-oriented), GT500 = ZR1 (it's all about HP/TQ)
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Old Aug 13, 2010 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Ghostface80,Aug 13 2010, 07:07 PM
Boss 302 = ZO6 (lighter and track-oriented), GT500 = ZR1 (it's all about HP/TQ)
Wrong! The ZR1 is more track-capable and stable than the Z06. It's not just the power, but it's got better handling and more stability than the Z06.
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Old Aug 13, 2010 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dombey,Aug 13 2010, 03:14 PM
dude, if it is actually faster around laguna seca than an M3, I will be not only impressed but simply blown away.

For years, people have been able to justify buying cars like M3s even though they may be slower in a straight line because they are so fast around a track...but dude if it is faster on a track than an M3...well, then BMW is going to step up their game and we'll all win.
One word: tires. The biggest factor in lateral and longitudinal grip is the tire being used. Everything else just allows you to make the most of what the tire has available.

As it was explained by a Frenchman with a funny accent in a racing dynamics seminar, "A shitty car with great tires is always faster than a great car with shitty tires."

If this Mustang's pulling 1g+ on street tires, it's probably those new Michelins. The skidpad is great at revealing how good tires are at lateral acceleration because it's pure steady-state turning. It's the least complex part of turning, and is the simplest to get right. I've seen the E90/92 M3 all over the .90s on the skidpad. Let's say it's about .96 or so on average. That would mean the Mustang has at least 4.17% more latitudinal grip. Not much? True, but it's far larger than the percent of the M3's lap time the Mustang shaved off (just over 1%). Of course, we also have no idea about track conditions, drivers, etc.

TL;DR: Track times have much more to do with tires than the superiority of one car vs. another.
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Old Aug 13, 2010 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Steponme,Aug 13 2010, 06:59 PM
Will it be under or over $50K?
How will this compare in price to an M3?
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Old Aug 13, 2010 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SpudRacer,Aug 13 2010, 05:07 PM
an adult pony car.
So like a horse car?
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Old Aug 14, 2010 | 05:56 AM
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Since being a little kid my dad was ALWAYS a Ford guy. I however, never liked them. I mean sure the classics are well, classics but in my lifetime (I'm 24) they've never put out anything that I'd want to be seen in, or want to be controlling. So these are not words I ever expected to roll off of my tongue: I would be proud to own that.
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Old Aug 14, 2010 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Steponme,Aug 13 2010, 07:29 PM
Wrong! The ZR1 is more track-capable and stable than the Z06. It's not just the power, but it's got better handling and more stability than the Z06.
I know one is faster than the other around a track, just like the GT500 will be faster than the Boss around a track. The similarities come where the Boss is a step up from the base GT to become a more track focused car (bump in hp, stiffer chassis, and lighter), just as the Z06 is to the base vette. Once we start talking ZR1 and GT500, it's a significant step up and this is reflected by both HP and price.

If you still can't see the similarities after this explanation, then you're hopeless.
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