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Old May 12, 2006 | 10:29 PM
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Say two people (person A and person B) were given storage warehouses, person A's warehouse is 1500 sq.ft. Person B's warehouse is 10,000 sq.ft.

Person A uses up 1350 of his available 1500 sq.ft.
Person B uses up 5,000 of her available 10,000 sq.ft. (aren't girls so dumb?)

quantitatively, person B has used up more space.
as a ratio relating to it's full potential, person A has faired better.

what I'm trying to say is "IheartS2ks" is a total douche.
JK


btw...a 2-seater coupe is just as useless, so stop acting like you guys made a worse decision than me, I'm equally irresponsible too.
JK again
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Old May 12, 2006 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bz2005s2k,May 12 2006, 02:37 PM
We can go back and forth on this but the fact that what an H1 is made for is not used as often as it should be for it to be a logical buy. The S is useless for hauling but that is not what it is made for. The H1 is not so good for hauling passengers and cargo either if you consider its drivibility and gas mileage.
How much of a device's capabilities are actually exercised on a regular basis is independent of how useful it actually is. For example, if you had a magic box which could create any object in existence out of thin air, but you only used it to make yourself food, money, and cars, would that object be useless because you weren't utilizing it to its full potential? No, it would still be extremely useful. Likewise, there are many things an H1 can do that an S2000 cannot. Even if you don't do them all, what it can do exceeds what an S2000 can do. Besides, carrying cargo is an inherently useful / productive task. Revving to 9000 rpm is not.

Despite what you appear to think, this does not detract from the value of your S2000. You didn't buy your S2000 to be "useful" -- you bought it to be fun -- so what's your problem with admitting that it isn't?

Edit: Yeah, harshfury pretty much said it first.
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Old May 12, 2006 | 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PedalFaster,May 12 2006, 11:00 PM
How much of a device's capabilities are actually exercised on a regular basis is independent of how useful it actually is. For example, if you had a magic box which could create any object in existence out of thin air, but you only used it to make yourself food, money, and cars, would that object be useless because you weren't utilizing it to its full potential? No, it would still be extremely useful. Likewise, there are many things an H1 can do that an S2000 cannot. Even if you don't do them all, what it can do exceeds what an S2000 can do. Besides, carrying cargo is an inherently useful / productive task. Revving to 9000 rpm is not.

Despite what you appear to think, this does not detract from the value of your S2000. You didn't buy your S2000 to be "useful" -- you bought it to be fun -- so what's your problem with admitting that it isn't?

Edit: Yeah, harshfury pretty much said it first.
right... magic box...now who's talking crazy. j/k



however if you assume that the magic box is infinately powerful, the box may have use, but would be worth-less due to its unused potential. and potential is nothing until it is actualized.


so if i know i'm only going to be using food, money, cars only, I should find a box that does those things and does them well, and not an oversized box.


anyway, i found my box.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 04:05 AM
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Some of the logic used in this thread is odd, at best.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 05:21 AM
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I can't seriously believe people are defending the H1. You people need to stop arguing in its defense and clear the fog from off your brains. The street version of the H1 was a total waste of time for GM (397 per year, c'mon ). I don't care if some rancher in west Texas uses his to its capabilities, there are lots of other vehicles out there that will do what he needs. What about the other idiots who just drive it around town sucking down gas and occupying lots of space with such a vehicle? Everyone who is going on and on about the H1's cargo and people hauling space has either never sat in one of those things, or are just making it up for the sake of argument.

The use of space in an H1 is horrendous because the drivetrain is inside the cabin. For a car that large to ONLY fit FOUR people is insane. Shit, you can fit five in any sedan on the planet. Cargo space is even worse. Unless you get the pickup version, there isn't any more cargo space in an H1 than there is in a Chevy Avalanche, et. al.

I still say good riddance. Now all they need to do is get rid of the H2 and the wussy H3. How anyone drives an H3 with a straight face is beyond me.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Clayman,May 13 2006, 05:21 AM
I can't seriously believe people are defending the H1. You people need to stop arguing in its defense and clear the fog from off your brains. The street version of the H1 was a total waste of time for GM (397 per year, c'mon ). I don't care if some rancher in west Texas uses his to its capabilities, there are lots of other vehicles out there that will do what he needs. What about the other idiots who just drive it around town sucking down gas and occupying lots of space with such a vehicle? Everyone who is going on and on about the H1's cargo and people hauling space has either never sat in one of those things, or are just making it up for the sake of argument.
Your argument totally contradicts itself. How can a vehicle both be made in such small quantities as to be irrelevant, AND suck down too much gas and take up too much space? The H1 wasn't made in sufficient quantities to have an impact on ANYTHING, let's face it. As far as economics go, the H1 was still made by AM General (not by GM), so I wonder how much it really cost to build an H1 since they are building HMMWVs in quantity still.

As far as the H2 and H3 are concerned, yeah, they are 'tarded posemobiles, but I think all the ricers who have carbon fiber body parts and big wings and goofy splitters and shit on their S2k/Evo/Sti are ALSO driving 'tarded posemobiles (trying to look like a racecar instead of trying to look like a bad 4x4). So if we are stamping out poseur cars, ricers come next.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 07:52 AM
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The H1 wasn't made in sufficient quantities to have an impact on ANYTHING, let's face it.
You're right. I suppose my larger point is I don't give a shit about that car, or the fact it isn't going to be made for the street anymore. Case closed.

[QUOTE]As far as the H2 and H3 are concerned, yeah, they are 'tarded posemobiles, but I think all the ricers who have carbon fiber body parts and big wings and goofy splitters and shit on their S2k/Evo/Sti are ALSO driving 'tarded posemobiles (trying to look like a racecar instead of trying to look like a bad 4x4).
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Old May 13, 2006 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by PedalFaster,May 12 2006, 02:28 PM
Can you carry four people plus cargo in an S2000? How about in an H1?

Can you carry oversized cargo in an S2000? How about in an H1?

Can you easily traverse unplowed snowy roads in an S2000? How about in an H1?

No one's arguing that the H1's an efficient or logical vehicle, but that doesn't change the fact that you can do more things with an H1 than you can an S2000, or any other small two-seat sports car.
Teh s2k doesn't invade in other people's space when doing its "non-tasks," and the Hummer H1 at best does what a regular sedan can do in terms of practicality! With the s2000 at least its more environmentally friendly and is more practical.

Youmay ask, "how is it more practical?"

Well, how many s2000s are taken to the track? Then, ask yourself, how many H1s go off-road?
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Old May 13, 2006 | 10:08 AM
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Ahhhh excessive consumption....the American Way....

Good thing they're ridding us of that pig.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Lice Locket,May 13 2006, 11:44 AM
Well, how many s2000s are taken to the track? Then, ask yourself, how many H1s go off-road?
Of the few that are sold each year? I'd venture a percentage that is equivalent to or maybe a bit better than the S2k/track comparo.
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