Comparative Advantage of NSX?
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Sorry for the 56k people out there.. Although the NSX has its merits, it really does not perform well for its cost. As for myself, I have never driven one but if it thoroughly gets trounced in most of these tests, what does it feel like to be driving one? Must be one incredible feeling to justify its price. (NSX would have lost in all categories had the Supra not been electronically limited at 159, don't know about the others)
This is an excerpt from the July 1993 Motortrend:
This is an excerpt from the July 1993 Motortrend:
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Those are for the "old" NSX with a 5-spd transmission and 3.0L motor. The new ones have a 3.2L motor (more power) and a 6-spd transmission.
On average, a "new" (96+, I think) NSX will get 0-60 in 4.7 or 4.8s, 1/4 in 13.2 to 13.4 at about 106mph, and pull about 0.93 to 0.95 g on skidpad. Fastest I've seen are about 13.1 @ 108 in the 1/4 mile and 0-60 in 4.5 (hardtop coupe, not targa top). Zanardi edition pulled 0.99g and regular editions have pulled 0.97g. Top speed is up to 176mph now.
None of those cars will cream a "new" NSX for those tests today. Some may beat it in SOME of them, but not so easily. Those are pretty high skidpad numbers, though - most NSX don't get that high. However, from reading, I've found that the Supra isn't usually quite that high - the RX-7 usually is far and away the best at cornering on a skidpad.
The RX-7 is an amazing car on the street and track and the Supra is pretty amazing as well. The Mitsu and Nissan can't touch an NSX. Straightline performance of a newer model NSX is only challenged by a Supra here, possibly the RX-7 (short run for the RX-7 - faster speeds and it falls away, as seen on the 1/4 mile times). Unfortunately, neither of the two are available here anymore...
The NSX-R available in Japan pulls high 12s 1/4 mile with slightly faster 0-60 times and higher gs on the skidpad. Not available in North America, though... A new RX-7 in Japan (still available there) has 280 hp and will probably trounce any NSX - it's a pretty single-minded car, much like an S2K. Not for everyone.
On average, a "new" (96+, I think) NSX will get 0-60 in 4.7 or 4.8s, 1/4 in 13.2 to 13.4 at about 106mph, and pull about 0.93 to 0.95 g on skidpad. Fastest I've seen are about 13.1 @ 108 in the 1/4 mile and 0-60 in 4.5 (hardtop coupe, not targa top). Zanardi edition pulled 0.99g and regular editions have pulled 0.97g. Top speed is up to 176mph now.
None of those cars will cream a "new" NSX for those tests today. Some may beat it in SOME of them, but not so easily. Those are pretty high skidpad numbers, though - most NSX don't get that high. However, from reading, I've found that the Supra isn't usually quite that high - the RX-7 usually is far and away the best at cornering on a skidpad.
The RX-7 is an amazing car on the street and track and the Supra is pretty amazing as well. The Mitsu and Nissan can't touch an NSX. Straightline performance of a newer model NSX is only challenged by a Supra here, possibly the RX-7 (short run for the RX-7 - faster speeds and it falls away, as seen on the 1/4 mile times). Unfortunately, neither of the two are available here anymore...
The NSX-R available in Japan pulls high 12s 1/4 mile with slightly faster 0-60 times and higher gs on the skidpad. Not available in North America, though... A new RX-7 in Japan (still available there) has 280 hp and will probably trounce any NSX - it's a pretty single-minded car, much like an S2K. Not for everyone.
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First the 1999+ RX-7s run mid to high 12s in the quarter mile...I really hate when people use a 1993 stat and compare it to a 2002 car and say the older car SUCKS without saying the year....maybe 1993 RX-7s are slow as crap compared to a 2001 Z06 or NSX...but what about the 2001 or even the 1999 RX-7.... I guess I just want to say don't diss a entire line based on ONE model year when comparing it to a NEWER line of cars..sorry I just had a debate at the office I guess that is why I am on that subject..anyway.....
Back to the subject at hand....
The NSX should not be ridiculed b/c of price. Heck if we do that then so should ALL Ferraris, Lotus Espirit, BMW M3s, BMW Z8s, Mustang Cobra Rs (the last one made), all Porshes and Aston Martins and many others....
each of the cars listed above cost a few pennies...but none are THAT fast for the money..since we could modify a 5.0 and smoke all of them
The point is each has there selling point...be it status, reliability, speed, comfort or etc. People who cuss the NSX for being 90k should cuss a Modena for not SMOKING a lowly Z06..the same for the 911 Turbo. Come on guys...I could understand not liking the looks...but liking a Boxster S for 60K that can't smoke a Honda S2000 then getting upset with a NSX b/c it can't smoke a Z06..
Stop the hating....
Back to the subject at hand....
The NSX should not be ridiculed b/c of price. Heck if we do that then so should ALL Ferraris, Lotus Espirit, BMW M3s, BMW Z8s, Mustang Cobra Rs (the last one made), all Porshes and Aston Martins and many others....
each of the cars listed above cost a few pennies...but none are THAT fast for the money..since we could modify a 5.0 and smoke all of them
The point is each has there selling point...be it status, reliability, speed, comfort or etc. People who cuss the NSX for being 90k should cuss a Modena for not SMOKING a lowly Z06..the same for the 911 Turbo. Come on guys...I could understand not liking the looks...but liking a Boxster S for 60K that can't smoke a Honda S2000 then getting upset with a NSX b/c it can't smoke a Z06..
Stop the hating....
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by My R2
[B]First the 1999+ RX-7s run mid to high 12s in the quarter mile...I really hate when people use a 1993 stat and compare it to a 2002 car and say the older car SUCKS without saying the year....maybe 1993 RX-7s are slow as crap compared to a 2001 Z06 or NSX...but what about the 2001 or even the 1999 RX-7.... I guess I just want to say don't diss a entire line based on ONE model year when comparing it to a NEWER line of cars..sorry I just had a debate at the office I guess that is why I am on that subject..anyway.....
Back to the subject at hand....
The NSX should not be ridiculed b/c of price. Heck if we do that then so should ALL Ferraris, Lotus Espirit, BMW M3s, BMW Z8s, Mustang Cobra Rs (the last one made), all Porshes and Aston Martins and many others....
each of the cars listed above cost a few pennies...but none are THAT fast for the money..since we could modify a 5.0 and smoke all of them
[B]First the 1999+ RX-7s run mid to high 12s in the quarter mile...I really hate when people use a 1993 stat and compare it to a 2002 car and say the older car SUCKS without saying the year....maybe 1993 RX-7s are slow as crap compared to a 2001 Z06 or NSX...but what about the 2001 or even the 1999 RX-7.... I guess I just want to say don't diss a entire line based on ONE model year when comparing it to a NEWER line of cars..sorry I just had a debate at the office I guess that is why I am on that subject..anyway.....
Back to the subject at hand....
The NSX should not be ridiculed b/c of price. Heck if we do that then so should ALL Ferraris, Lotus Espirit, BMW M3s, BMW Z8s, Mustang Cobra Rs (the last one made), all Porshes and Aston Martins and many others....
each of the cars listed above cost a few pennies...but none are THAT fast for the money..since we could modify a 5.0 and smoke all of them
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by My R2
[B]First the 1999+ RX-7s run mid to high 12s in the quarter mile...I really hate when people use a 1993 stat and compare it to a 2002 car and say the older car SUCKS without saying the year....maybe 1993 RX-7s are slow as crap compared to a 2001 Z06 or NSX...but what about the 2001 or even the 1999 RX-7.... I guess I just want to say don't diss a entire line based on ONE model year when comparing it to a NEWER line of cars..sorry I just had a debate at the office I guess that is why I am on that subject..anyway.....
Back to the subject at hand....
The NSX should not be ridiculed b/c of price. Heck if we do that then so should ALL Ferraris, Lotus Espirit, BMW M3s, BMW Z8s, Mustang Cobra Rs (the last one made), all Porshes and Aston Martins and many others....
each of the cars listed above cost a few pennies...but none are THAT fast for the money..since we could modify a 5.0 and smoke all of them
[B]First the 1999+ RX-7s run mid to high 12s in the quarter mile...I really hate when people use a 1993 stat and compare it to a 2002 car and say the older car SUCKS without saying the year....maybe 1993 RX-7s are slow as crap compared to a 2001 Z06 or NSX...but what about the 2001 or even the 1999 RX-7.... I guess I just want to say don't diss a entire line based on ONE model year when comparing it to a NEWER line of cars..sorry I just had a debate at the office I guess that is why I am on that subject..anyway.....
Back to the subject at hand....
The NSX should not be ridiculed b/c of price. Heck if we do that then so should ALL Ferraris, Lotus Espirit, BMW M3s, BMW Z8s, Mustang Cobra Rs (the last one made), all Porshes and Aston Martins and many others....
each of the cars listed above cost a few pennies...but none are THAT fast for the money..since we could modify a 5.0 and smoke all of them
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From: Irvine
[QUOTE]Originally posted by s2kpdx01
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i just don't see why everyone bothers to compare 1/4 times...seems kind of lame when you are talking about cars that were developed for very different reasons.
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i just don't see why everyone bothers to compare 1/4 times...seems kind of lame when you are talking about cars that were developed for very different reasons.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but skidpad numbers really tell you which car was factory equiped with bigger tires and probably a stiffer suspension. When they start doing these tests where the cars all have the same rubber and comfort settings on the suspension, then I'll pay more attention to them. When I looked at buying a used NSX, I noticed 15" tires in the front, I don't expect it to pull numbers like a z06 or supra, or mustang cobra for that matter.