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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 08:34 PM
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Aircooled 993's are magic--that's why the new 2005 model has gone back to that look. Cabrio's seem to have a little more chassis flex than the S2000.

Funny thing, the original Porsche "formula" for success was to put a high-revving (for the time) engine in a lightweight chassis. Sound familiar?

The only problem buying a well-priced 993 is that the well-priced ones also seem to be well-worn. The interiors need to be refurbished, as does the top and/or back window. As for the motor--let it warm up, and then do anything you want to it...magic!
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by CG,Oct 14 2004, 05:41 PM
The steering feel of the 993 is better IMO than that of the S2000. The S2000 is the winner on the autocross course
I think the S2000's steering feel is one of its weak suits, actually.

As for on the autocross course, there's no consensus yet on which car's faster -- the 993 or the S2000. The S2000 just got moved into the 993's class, so maybe we'll see next year.

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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 09:30 PM
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Ah, a topic that's dear to my heart!

Since I sold this:



for this about a year ago ('97 C2S):





...I have first hand experience driving the %#$@! out of both cars. My observations:

Handling: unfortunately, the stock shocks on 993s suck, usually going at around 20K miles so anyone who doesn't rave about the 993's handling probably drove one with worn out shocks. Comparing my ROW M030-equipped 993 to the S2K, I have a strong preference for the P-car. It feels much more planted while being more forgiving on the road (doesn't ride as rough). I would compare the ride of the 993 to that of a tuned Bimmer. If anyone lives in Seattle and has driven over the cobblestone roads by the Public Market in an S2K, the car feels like it's going to fall apart..I don't get that in the 993 (although comparing an open top to a coupe isn't really fair).

Steering: No comparison. The 993 OWNS the S2K for road feel.

Shifter: No comparison. The S2K OWNS the P-car's loosy-goosy shift action (although I've grown to love it too).

Power: The 993 is faster, end of story. I love the torque and flexibility of the flat-six engine. It just pulls in any gear. You can let the clutch go at a stop And give it no gas and the car will roll, no stalling.

Brakes: No comparison. Big Brembos = little fade and firm pedal feel. Anyone who complains about firm brake pedal feel doesn't know good brakes.

Sound: While my S2K sounded nice with a Comptech CAI and Neuspeed cat back, my 993 sends chills down my spine (especially with my B&B cat-back). The sweetest sounding setup short of a Tubi-equipped F355.

Looks: While regular 993s can look a little plain, I've always thought the wide-ass 993s looked incredible. When I traded in my S2K, it looked like a toy parked side by side next to the C2S.

Quality: My 6 year old 993 is as solid as a drum. I love the sound the doors make when I slam them. The interior is plain but businesslike and the quality is superb.

I guess my bias is apparent. While I liked my S2K and miss driving it occasionally, I LOVE my C2S and will keep it for many years to come (even after my F-car is delivered). It's hard to explain the appeal of these cars - the best way is to own one (this is my second air-kewled!)
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Old Oct 14, 2004 | 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by alexf20c,Oct 14 2004, 02:32 PM
air-cooled 911 > S2000


AlgaeHater, well said.
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 06:45 AM
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Nice post AlgaeHater. The 993s are a huge favorite of mine, love the fact that lightly optioned, they weigh in at under 3000 lbs.
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 07:34 AM
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Ahh.. you know what... somehow I got confused about the years.... 993s rock! I actually wanted a 94 Turbo.. .but after talking to many Porsche lovers and technicians... I like the 96 and up models.. the last aircooled ones...


BTW, that white one is NICE.
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 07:36 AM
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I own a 1997 C4s, as well as an S2000. They are completely different cars. Teh S is a light, nimble, noisy, fun little roadster with a moderate amount of power compared to the 993s, 993tts, Superformance cars, and other toys I have driven or drive. It is certainly fast enough, and a lot of fun in an autocross. And it look pretty darn cool. Obvioulsy, I like them.

The 993 is a whole 'nother ball of wax. It has a classic shape, wonderful sound, more torque, is clearly faster to 60 as well as at the top, has more room, is built like a tank, and 0 if you have the C4S or C4 - has AWD. The bias is about 95% to the rear in normal driving, so it is not a pusher like Audis or most other AWD cars, but it can help if you begin to lose traction.

If I had to choose one, no contest, I take the 993. However, I think they complement each other nicely, so that is how I choose to go.

As far as other cars in the S2000's price range, I don't care what other folks say, there is not another great roadster out there that can be had lightly used in the mid 20s with low miles, that is as reliable, fast, good looking, track worthy, and reliable.
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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AlgaeHater,Oct 14 2004, 10:30 PM
Ah, a topic that's dear to my heart!

Since I sold this:



for this about a year ago ('97 C2S):





...I have first hand experience driving the %#$@! out of both cars. My observations:

Handling: unfortunately, the stock shocks on 993s suck, usually going at around 20K miles so anyone who doesn't rave about the 993's handling probably drove one with worn out shocks. Comparing my ROW M030-equipped 993 to the S2K, I have a strong preference for the P-car. It feels much more planted while being more forgiving on the road (doesn't ride as rough). I would compare the ride of the 993 to that of a tuned Bimmer. If anyone lives in Seattle and has driven over the cobblestone roads by the Public Market in an S2K, the car feels like it's going to fall apart..I don't get that in the 993 (although comparing an open top to a coupe isn't really fair).

Steering: No comparison. The 993 OWNS the S2K for road feel.

Shifter: No comparison. The S2K OWNS the P-car's loosy-goosy shift action (although I've grown to love it too).

Power: The 993 is faster, end of story. I love the torque and flexibility of the flat-six engine. It just pulls in any gear. You can let the clutch go at a stop And give it no gas and the car will roll, no stalling.

Brakes: No comparison. Big Brembos = little fade and firm pedal feel. Anyone who complains about firm brake pedal feel doesn't know good brakes.

Sound: While my S2K sounded nice with a Comptech CAI and Neuspeed cat back, my 993 sends chills down my spine (especially with my B&B cat-back). The sweetest sounding setup short of a Tubi-equipped F355.

Looks: While regular 993s can look a little plain, I've always thought the wide-ass 993s looked incredible. When I traded in my S2K, it looked like a toy parked side by side next to the C2S.

Quality: My 6 year old 993 is as solid as a drum. I love the sound the doors make when I slam them. The interior is plain but businesslike and the quality is superb.

I guess my bias is apparent. While I liked my S2K and miss driving it occasionally, I LOVE my C2S and will keep it for many years to come (even after my F-car is delivered). It's hard to explain the appeal of these cars - the best way is to own one (this is my second air-kewled!)
I love the Supercups. Very Classic Wheel. I had always wanted a set to replace the very plain Design 90's on my 964. I miss having a 911 in the garage.
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