You say, I say.

The guy stated why he bought a 996C4 over a new vette (probably same price, so obvious competitors). He stated why he did it (& I agree with his reasoning).

Both are awesome cars, but for different reasons. I just never got the memo that stated that the vette was the hail marry of all things automotive. Now it is a handler with a great interior? Damnit, next these forums are going to claim how much more reliable BMWs are then Toyotas.

Back to the point: Fact = C6 has 2 leaf springs. The last time I was under my handle-like-crap truck it too had leaf springs. So let's say X = leaf spring & handling like crap is Y. My truck = Y. My truck has leaf springs. So My truck = X. Therefore X=Y. That is undeniable fact. It is impossible to argue that.

So until X!=Y, I guess I'll remain ignorant.

Awesome!

 

Lmao.....ignorance is bliss.....
Enjoy your new ride. hahahahha
By the way... been under a Volkswagen lately?

 

Like 99% of the people here, I do not drive every car on the road or track.

My personal experience is with my old E46 M3 against a C5 at the ring. C5 owner had way more laps and his car was considerably faster when we played around on the autobahn. He took me out as passenger for my first lap. He was very quick & I did not think I was a better driver. Both cars were essentially stock. I followed him around the track and had zero difficulty sticking to his bumper for all 13 miles. So we changed positions & I led. Now this was my 2nd driven lap & at the end of the course, I could not see him anymore.

Now, can you blame me for not having much confidence in the C5/C6 (IIRC, there isn't much difference between C5/C6. Maybe 10% faster/better car, but still not going to keep up at the ring)?

I grabbed a couple lap times & my opinion seems to be supported. The vette has a weight and power advantage, yet runs a slower time (C5). The C6 has a large power advantage and similar weight advantage, yet is only 8 sec faster than the lowly 996? Was it the vette's sweet new luxurious interior that led to those times? Maybe that awesome handling monster isn't so great after all?

8:05 --- 152.91 km/h -- BMW M3, 420 PS/1608 kg (sport auto 12/07)
8:15 --- 149.82 km/h -- Corvette C6, 404 PS/1491 kg (sport auto 08/05)
8:22 --- 147.75 km/h -- BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:23 --- 147.44 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera 4, 300 PS/1466 kg (sport auto 01/02)
8:40 --- 142.62 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic, 344 PS/1505 kg (sport auto 07/97)

Note**(New M3 weighs more, similar power yet spanks the C6)

I guess, until I go buy a C6, take it to a racetrack and put the spanking on every Pcar out there, then I dunno anything.

Bottom line: great car, not the best handler out there and the interior still stinks. Every car on the road has its faults. Some of you guys are going to have to deal with em.

 

Wow, that's the dumbest equation I've ever seen.

 

I'm in no way a Porsche hater (I drive one) but you're getting your logic mixed up. According to your analogy, Corvette = your crappy handling truck. Do you realize that Porsches use McPherson strut suspensions similar to old Dodge Caravans? So according to your analogy, Porsches = Dodge Caravans. If in fact the Corvette has leaf springs, then Chevy did some magic with those leaf springs, much like Porsche did some magic with their McPherson struts and rear engine platform.


Corvettes handle well.. otherwise they wouldn't be classed as SS in autocross events. They do quite well in that class as it is versus some stuff competition. Take a look..


Super Stock
SS BMW Z4 M Coupe/Roadster ('07+)
SS Chevrolet Corvette C5 ('97+) Corvette C6 ('05+) Corvette C6 Z06
SS Dodge Viper R/T, GTS Viper SRT-10
SS Lotus Elise ('05+) Esprit Turbo
SS Mazda RX-7 Turbo ('93+)
SS Porsche 911 (996 chassis) ('98+) 911 (997 chassis) ('05+) 911 GT3(996)
SS 911 Turbo, 930 (2WD) Boxster S ('05+) Cayman S ('06+)

P.S. Porsche interiors aren't so great either.. My 2006 has carpet on the door panels.. some remnants of 80s design.

 

Here's the deal if you think the C6 blows.

I have $5,000 (no, I am not kidding) on any street-legal 996 C2 or C4 (no turbo or GT3) with full interior and stock suspension, stock brakes against my bolt-on full interior, stock suspension, stock brakes plain-jane C6 taking me at any DFW local roadcourse over a lapping session (fastest lap time wins).

For that matter, let's toss in the E46 M3 and the new E92 M3 as well with the same restrictions as above.

You have one personal experience with a guy who couldn't drive worth a crap on a crapped out C5 against your E46 M3 (which is a slow POS on the track BTW). Wow, that makes your opinion valid.

So, any takers on my Vette? I would love for someone to show me the superiority of the standard 911 models over a lowly Corvette.

 

Nope, it is totally awesome.

 

Zam, I'm not sure how the results of a race with a C5 have a bearing on this discussion anyways, since the OP clearly stated that he considered a C6, not a C5, Vette.

You beat a driver, not a car.

 

[QUOTE=Zam,Mar 6 2008, 12:40 PM]Like 99% of the people here, I do not drive every car on the road or track.

My personal experience is with my old E46 M3 against a C5 at the ring. C5 owner had way more laps and his car was considerably faster when we played around on the autobahn. He took me out as passenger for my first lap. He was very quick & I did not think I was a better driver.

 

Wow, you take these internet forums really seriously? Again, awesome!

So if for instance, you were at a dinner party and someone says, man that vette is nice, but I think a 911 is faster, you'd be up in arms?

How about this, take your money, go to the ring, rent a vette and see how bada$$ it is. Start throwing your money around there. I'm sure you'll be a millionaire after spanking all those crappy 911s & M cars.

And for the record, my equation was a poor attempt at humor. No car is perfect, except in your eyes it appears the pinacle of all vehicles is the non-Z06 C6 vette. I don't like a certain aspect about the vette. Hell, I don't like plenty about P-cars.

Zam