Originally Posted by sparrow,Jan 14 2011, 01:40 PM

I believe they can build whatever they want because they have assloads of money. Might take them 10 yrs but they still built something even though its ugly as shyt. At this time in the public eye they are doing far more than honda, I can respect that.

Originally Posted by Diabl0,Jan 14 2011, 05:43 PM

And yes, F1 is the eptiome of automotive engineering. Nothing else comes close. To bring up NASCAR in the same sentence is just absurd.

Toyota does not even hold a candle to Honda's accomplishments in F1. The fact Toyota spent more money than any other team in F1 for years and yet did not achieve a single victory says alot. Their foray into F1 was one of the worst in the history of F1.

Originally Posted by duboseq,Jan 15 2011, 09:17 AM

Wow I did not know that. Could it be an issue of not having good drivers?