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Old Jan 12, 2011 | 08:35 PM
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Unless you have the cash for the LF-A, just keep moving.

High performance Toyota/Lexus vehicles died with the Supra. The IS-F is/was an outdated, halfa$$ed attempt with great potential. I have hope for Lexus and would like to see some improved offerings.
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Old Jan 12, 2011 | 09:51 PM
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Forged pistons w/ air-cooled cylinders (VW). How's that for high-tech?
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by duboseq,Jan 13 2011, 01:17 AM
So we are adding caveats now? Or maybe I misunderstood what you define as tech transfer.
I don't see how caveats are being added. DBW on the nsx or forged internals was not a first on a production car, the nsx being all aluminum is a first for production cars correct? If honda started making aluminum chassis cars after that then it would be tech transfer. But using something that was already in production on other vehicles is not tech transfer IMO just b/c you equipped your flagship model with it first. To me all that is just marketing. Would you equip a civic with dbw before your flagship model.... No.

Vtec going from the b16 to the c30 was tech transfer. I'm not arguing anything besides you using the nsx as an example. If toyota were to do as Honda did with the nsx like you said then there will be almost 0 "tech" transfer to its lower models. Just debating your statement that is all.
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bunchies,Jan 13 2011, 01:12 AM
Yet, Toyota is the company that made the LFA, a carbon fiber monocoque, V10, 7 speed semi auto gearbox car. Certainly sounds like F1 spec from 05 and before. Toyota possess their own facilities that they built for F1 purposes, something Honda cannot claim, as they were spawned from British American Racing.

Honda's successes are mostly as an engine manufacturer, particularly when they supplied turbo engines in the 80s to many successful and world champ winning teams. While their engines were certainly amazing, I don't believe their endeavors as a F1 team were any more successful than Toyota's (unless you count BGP-001 which had a mercedes engine).

Both are probably involved in more domestic motorsports than I can keep track of, so one would be inclined to believe that they are equal in the motorsports data department.
Toyota has never won an f1 race and Honda has....... Just sayin
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by duboseq,Jan 12 2011, 08:59 PM
Why would he be mad? You did not say anything offensive...
variable intake?

I admit I don't know my NSX that well, the car never did it for me. I'm just trying to find some big items that worked their way down...
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by sparrow,Jan 13 2011, 09:35 AM
the nsx being all aluminum is a first for production cars correct?
The NSX was the first production car to have the combination of aluminum chassis, body and suspension - more of a combination of existing than anything new. Part of why it was so expensive.
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 07:48 AM
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[QUOTE=Saki GT,Jan 13 2011, 12:33 PM] The NSX was the first production car to have the combination of aluminum chassis, body and suspension - more of a combination of existing than anything new.
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by OverBooster,Jan 12 2011, 09:35 PM
Unless you have the cash for the LF-A, just keep moving.

High performance Toyota/Lexus vehicles died with the Supra. The IS-F is/was an outdated, halfa$$ed attempt with great potential. I have hope for Lexus and would like to see some improved offerings.
??????????????

ISF not a high performance car... I must have missed something when I read the specs...
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by sparrow,Jan 13 2011, 12:48 PM
Thank you for telling me something I already knew.
By your post you asked for validation - you dense, or just have a short memory?
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Old Jan 13, 2011 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Saki GT,Jan 13 2011, 01:19 PM
By your post you asked for validation - you dense, or just have a short memory?
Question was rhetorical as he clearly didn't know what he was talking about(no hate duboseq)... even so a mere yes would suffice from the party it was asked. Don't remember quoting Saki GT in that post but I aint even mad. U mad?
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