OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG V6 S2000!
So I'm curious... everyone talks about how Honda did this and they want one. The thing is the S2k is dead now.
Haven't people thought yet that it's just a test mule? Rumored a while back was a new coupe s2k, or just a new model. Nothing is stopping Honda from testing things out and just use the S2k chassis.
Haven't people thought yet that it's just a test mule? Rumored a while back was a new coupe s2k, or just a new model. Nothing is stopping Honda from testing things out and just use the S2k chassis.
Originally Posted by MasterForce,Dec 20 2009, 08:32 PM
how can a car have an engine off an AWD and not be AWD? thats like trying to put a s2k engine on a civic
Originally Posted by MasterForce,Dec 20 2009, 08:32 PM
how can a car have an engine off an AWD and not be AWD? thats like trying to put a s2k engine on a civic
Originally Posted by dat boi,Dec 21 2009, 02:27 AM
there is no point to this car. Yes, in some situations, having low end torque would be good
Originally Posted by dat boi,Dec 21 2009, 02:27 AM
if it bothers you that much, buy a a mustang/camaro/gto, etc..
[QUOTE=Zacreth,Dec 21 2009, 07:43 AM]Haven't people thought yet that it's just a test mule?
Originally Posted by NuncoStr8,Dec 21 2009, 07:59 AM
Superior interior, superior engine, aguably superior suspension, and yes, it has a BMW badge. Surprisingly, some people don't see added value in buying a car from the same people who made their lawnmower. They appreciate a little focus from their manufacturer.
The S2000 is awesome for what it is, but it isn't the best ever of anything in the universe. It's purely a performance car that is bested by all kinds of cars from all kinds of companies. That doesn't devalue it, it places it on a spectrum. There are superior cars at everything the S2000 does well. That's why people can afford them. If it was better than all other cars ever, hands down, it would cost more than all other cars ever.
The S2000 is awesome for what it is, but it isn't the best ever of anything in the universe. It's purely a performance car that is bested by all kinds of cars from all kinds of companies. That doesn't devalue it, it places it on a spectrum. There are superior cars at everything the S2000 does well. That's why people can afford them. If it was better than all other cars ever, hands down, it would cost more than all other cars ever.
Having said that, I do like the Z4M. Engine is torquey and strong and the steering feel is delightful. As I should, it is double the price, lol. Disregarding brand preference, it is an enjoyable car.
The project car is clearly still RWD, look a the the engine configuration in the engine bay.
All this talk about Revs, and losing hi revving capability, yada yada. What's the point of increasing the RPM's if there's no need for it. The engine delivers 60 more HP, 80+tq at lower revs and has broader and smoother power delivery.
It's not truly in the spirit of the S2000, but neither is packing on 75-80 pounds of turbochargers and superchargers to make this kind of power with factory bred reliability.
This car is not a design experiment, it's for fun. HPD regularly makes cars that make no production sense whatsoever (element D, the Odyssey TT, the ACR) but are undertaken as engineering challenges. There is NO point in this vehicle - the S2000 is discontinued.
The NSX replacement is not a "go ahead" for pruduction just because it is being used in the JGTC. There's a special rule that allows it to compete. The Supra has been gone for over almost 10 years and it still represents Toyota. the GT500 series is pretty Lax on car spec since they can balance the field with weight penalties.
Oh, and if the 140HP R18 SOHC i-vtec ingine was the only engine available for the S2000 - I'd still take it over P O N T I A C.
Quality is in the eye of the beholder. JD Power quality study Rankings place BMW well behind Honda, and right behind Acura. While I do think that is because of the price expectation. a $40,000 BMw should have the quality of a $40,000 car not a $25,000 car.
All this talk about Revs, and losing hi revving capability, yada yada. What's the point of increasing the RPM's if there's no need for it. The engine delivers 60 more HP, 80+tq at lower revs and has broader and smoother power delivery.
It's not truly in the spirit of the S2000, but neither is packing on 75-80 pounds of turbochargers and superchargers to make this kind of power with factory bred reliability.
This car is not a design experiment, it's for fun. HPD regularly makes cars that make no production sense whatsoever (element D, the Odyssey TT, the ACR) but are undertaken as engineering challenges. There is NO point in this vehicle - the S2000 is discontinued.
The NSX replacement is not a "go ahead" for pruduction just because it is being used in the JGTC. There's a special rule that allows it to compete. The Supra has been gone for over almost 10 years and it still represents Toyota. the GT500 series is pretty Lax on car spec since they can balance the field with weight penalties.
Oh, and if the 140HP R18 SOHC i-vtec ingine was the only engine available for the S2000 - I'd still take it over P O N T I A C.
Quality is in the eye of the beholder. JD Power quality study Rankings place BMW well behind Honda, and right behind Acura. While I do think that is because of the price expectation. a $40,000 BMw should have the quality of a $40,000 car not a $25,000 car.
Originally Posted by PedalFaster,Dec 21 2009, 08:37 AM
The engine and the drivetrain are two separate things. In the past, Audi A4s were available in FWD and AWD with the same engine. Likewise, BMW 3-Series' have been available in RWD and AWD with the same engine. The top-line Chevy Cobalt is FWD and shares an engine with the RWD Pontiac Solstice. I can't think of one off of the top of my head, but if you look hard enough you'll probably find an example of an engine that's used in FWD, RWD, and AWD applications.
You just asked and answered your question. The point of this car was presumably to show off HPD's engineering prowess, to generate buzz about Honda (which it evidently has), and because they felt like it.
Can you believe that some people want both power and handling in one package? Amazing, isn't it? The cheekiness of it all!
It's not even a test mule -- it's a one off exercise, akin to a show car.
You just asked and answered your question. The point of this car was presumably to show off HPD's engineering prowess, to generate buzz about Honda (which it evidently has), and because they felt like it.
Can you believe that some people want both power and handling in one package? Amazing, isn't it? The cheekiness of it all!
It's not even a test mule -- it's a one off exercise, akin to a show car.

As far as a z4m goes, I love the car, but if the interior is anything like the e46 m3 (materials) then it's not that much better than the s2k. They both have a pretty spartan interior, so the amenities aren't mush different and fit n finish is good quality on both cars. I do love driving the m coupe though, but then again it literally costs twice as much as the s2k its being compared to so that should say something..

The difference is all All Audis (except the R8) are FWD cars with AWD. The chassis, is clearly laid out like a FWD. Reverse is true with BMW, RWD cars with AWD.
Nissan's VQ engines are in FWD (Altima/Maxima/Quest), RWD(350Z,370Z,G35,etc), and AWD (Murano,FX,EX). But that speaks more of the versatility of the Chassis of those cars than anything else.
Getting that V6 in the S2000 is quite a feat. I wonder if they had any NSX C32's laying around
Nissan's VQ engines are in FWD (Altima/Maxima/Quest), RWD(350Z,370Z,G35,etc), and AWD (Murano,FX,EX). But that speaks more of the versatility of the Chassis of those cars than anything else.
Getting that V6 in the S2000 is quite a feat. I wonder if they had any NSX C32's laying around
Originally Posted by dat boi,Dec 21 2009, 10:12 AM
LOL I love how you cut parts of my post to try and make a point.
Originally Posted by MasterForce,Dec 20 2009, 08:32 PM
how can a car have an engine off an AWD and not be AWD? thats like trying to put a s2k engine on a civic
The transmission and supplementary parts make a car awd, not the engine, numbnuts.
Have you ever noticed that they many cars that come in both AWD and F/RWD configurations?
There should be a goddamn entrance exam to get on a car forum. For starters, you should have to know the very basics about cars.
Simply pathetic.
Originally Posted by NuncoStr8,Dec 21 2009, 04:59 AM
Superior interior, superior engine, aguably superior suspension, and yes, it has a BMW badge. Surprisingly, some people don't see added value in buying a car from the same people who made their lawnmower. They appreciate a little focus from their manufacturer.
The S2000 is awesome for what it is, but it isn't the best ever of anything in the universe. It's purely a performance car that is bested by all kinds of cars from all kinds of companies. That doesn't devalue it, it places it on a spectrum. There are superior cars at everything the S2000 does well. That's why people can afford them. If it was better than all other cars ever, hands down, it would cost more than all other cars ever.
The S2000 is awesome for what it is, but it isn't the best ever of anything in the universe. It's purely a performance car that is bested by all kinds of cars from all kinds of companies. That doesn't devalue it, it places it on a spectrum. There are superior cars at everything the S2000 does well. That's why people can afford them. If it was better than all other cars ever, hands down, it would cost more than all other cars ever.







