Respect I'm from DFW as well -- one day we'll have to discuss this over a beer, but for now I will counter online.

I understand that at this point, the Ecotec is not a stock motor - but I will still maintain, it is a very impressive feat for any 4-cylinder that is forced inducted. I still have not seen any other 4-cylinder on the market that has produced these numbers, even when gulping methanol-based fuel. Not even close. A 4G63 burning Methanol can only produce ~940hp. That's still ~400hp shy of the Ecotec.

Furthermore, I'm not sure about those Supra motors making that much power and lasting as a daily driver. My friend whom used to work at Cobb & RP has been in the drag racing buisness for quite awhile said Supra motors could barely make the neccessary 7 passes down the strip at those levels w/o requiring a rebuild. Maybe I'm wrong in this statement somewhere. He should know since RPs RX7s raced Supras all day long at the track.

Want more proof that the GM is up to snuff in more then just drag racing? Here's a Cobalt SS time attack at Buttonwillow:

http://www.gmperformancedivision.com...g_stories.aspx

Please forgive this 148 day newb

 

Why? Regardless of how they make power, they are making power. And it'll be a direct performance competitor to the S2000 while undercutting the S2000's price by ~$5k MSRP.

How is this an unfair comparison?

At anyrate, I am slightly Honda biased -- so I really hope Honda sees this as a threat and will put out a Honda S2000 Type R while cutting prices by $5000!

 

i remember seeing a supra making near a 1000hp and never had the head removed if i find the link i will be back with it

 

Where is the 260hp NA stock S2000? Maybe 5000 feet below sea level ...

 

I wonder what else goes into the GXP package. Anti-lock brakes? LSD? Power? Leather? Or will those all be options as with the NA Solstice?

And what about adding a six speed instead of the five?

 

Well in japan it was(not sure if still is) 250 hp I believe due to higher compression (I might be wrong).... And even if it is not... 20 hp more (and turboed) for a car coming out 7 years after the s2000 is just simply ridiculous

 

It was 250hp because they rate horsepower on a less precise scale. For 06 it is 237 ... 238?

260hp is no more "ridiculous" than Honda selling the same horsepower 6 years later ... which is in this case 20hp less than the Americans ...

 

Why's this ridiculous? Honda should be keeping the S2000 up to date, and not letting it fall behind.

Not to mention, the Solstice Turbo will have 260lbs of tq. This would make an S2000 differential cry.

 

But the american's have a turbo?

 

How many methanol-fueled FI 4-cylinder race motors exist? Very few. Most are still running gasoline.

That alone puts the Ecotec motor in a new (mostly unchallenged) class.

You may not be sure of those Supras being daily drivers and reliable, but the point is that they aren't race motors that need constant rebuilding (and they're still streetable!).

I have no problems with GM being up to snuff. As I said, you're barking up the wrong tree. I have no issues with GM - you can search my posts and you'll see that I don't bash them or try and tear them down and lift Honda up (or any other manufacturer). I don't like 90% of their vehicles but I really like the other 10%. I just take issue with you raising them up to a stratospheric level where nothing is really relevant, then bringing it back down to every day level and trying to make an equation. It just doesn't work.

Could've. Should've. Who cares, if they can't get it right on the street? It's a waste of engineering time to build massively powerful race motors if you can't stay competitive on the street. I don't drive a race car - I drive a street car. When I walk into a showroom (about every six years, if not more), I'm not caring how good they race - I'm caring how good they build a street car.

That's why I'd gladly buy a Vette, CTS-V, GTO, or a pick-up....but never an Impala, G6, Malibu, Cobalt, and the like.