Why do you hate mustangs?
#12
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I personally dont have much beef with stangs, camaros, and vettes. I just think, and this is my humble opinion, that they are all EXTREMELY cheap. When i sat in a mustang, maro, etc, they feel like they are worth 400 bucks. Cheapest plastics in the world, etc. These cars have great motors.
Ive always had a gripe with american cars, not because of performance (there are MANY aspects of american cars that I love), but because they are simply cheap, assembled with gum, etc.
Pontiac IMHO is the biggest POS car out there produced today. Sitting inside, you can push the roofliner 1.5" up, panels ALL have move in them, just a good old POS.
If americans can step up the quality, I would buy american cars. (Problem is, using cheap excon labor does not yield a lexus)
Ive always had a gripe with american cars, not because of performance (there are MANY aspects of american cars that I love), but because they are simply cheap, assembled with gum, etc.
Pontiac IMHO is the biggest POS car out there produced today. Sitting inside, you can push the roofliner 1.5" up, panels ALL have move in them, just a good old POS.
If americans can step up the quality, I would buy american cars. (Problem is, using cheap excon labor does not yield a lexus)
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Originally Posted by Jonesy,Sep 17 2004, 05:29 AM
Here is the other problem. For all their speed and "power" the build quality is crap. I drove a brand new rental for 2 weeks and the seats almost came apart, the fake side scoop leaked water on the seat belt retractor (making the seat belt wet), it pulled to the right, and the roof leaked (on a hardtop? come on ford). And this was a BRAND NEW one.
Nuff said
#14
I really like the old '60s and early '70s Mustangs, and even the late '80s/early '90s ones, but the current model just never did anything for me in the looks department.
I think the new one looks great, at least in magazines.
I had a Mustang II for a while, but that wasn't a real Mustang.
Apart from looks, I don't think I'll be buying another American car unless I want to get rid of it within the warranty period.
My '94 T-Bird SC was a great car, but had too many problems to list. And the four different dealers I tried weren't much good either.
I think the new one looks great, at least in magazines.
I had a Mustang II for a while, but that wasn't a real Mustang.
Apart from looks, I don't think I'll be buying another American car unless I want to get rid of it within the warranty period.
My '94 T-Bird SC was a great car, but had too many problems to list. And the four different dealers I tried weren't much good either.
#15
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yea what IS up with the six cylinder mustangs with the mods? i even beat a six cylinder mustang with my old miata and that's pretty sad! some of those guys spend quite a bit of money on that stuff too. they put the dual exhaust and the gt wheels...for all the money they spend you'd think they would have just gotten the gt. nevertheless i agree with majority of you that the build quality isn't at import standards and as long as the uaw is running things, i don't see it improving. i get about 260-280 on a normal tank.
#16
Mustangs, Camaros, etc are fast for the money, I had a buddy who bought a beat up '88 GT and dropped in a 351 in it to drag race because he got tired of buying expensive parts for his 300ZX TT. For the cost of the Z alone he built a Mustang that was pretty quick in the 1/4.
Who cares though, I don't drag race or street race and couldn't give less of a crap about 1/4 times. Real sports cars tend to be fun to drive because of their character, i.e. the S2000 is a precision machine with a wacko engine and is just plain fun to drive. Driving Mustangs, Camaros, etc always reminds me of driving something agricultural because they are so cheap. But if you like 'em, more power to you.
Who cares though, I don't drag race or street race and couldn't give less of a crap about 1/4 times. Real sports cars tend to be fun to drive because of their character, i.e. the S2000 is a precision machine with a wacko engine and is just plain fun to drive. Driving Mustangs, Camaros, etc always reminds me of driving something agricultural because they are so cheap. But if you like 'em, more power to you.
#17
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i totally agree with you karl. some of the s2000 owners are so hooked on beating that mustang or corvette...that's not what this car was designed to do. granted if you spend enough money you can get it to beat those cars but if they spend as much as you did, they're still gonna win.
the S is all about style and fun to drive factor not 1/4 times, in my opinion.
the S is all about style and fun to drive factor not 1/4 times, in my opinion.
#18
In the end it's all about priorities. Ford built the mustang to go fast in a straight line. To keep the price down they made the interior cheap. Honda made the s2000 IMO to make a statement, and to showcase what they can do, and you pay more for that.
BTW I own two mustangs right now, 68 coupe and a 70 mach 1.
BTW I own two mustangs right now, 68 coupe and a 70 mach 1.
#19
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My next door neighbor had a Mustang Vert (brand new) as a company car. He took me for a drive. He thought because we both had verts we were both pimp.
OMG I was trying to be nice because I didn't want to laugh at his car.
It was a V6 of course. It seats were vintage 1979 I think. The "head rests" (if you can call them that) came up to my shoulder.
The interior materials, fit and finish were exactly the same as my wife's 94 Escort. But the Escort had better seats (IMO). I'm not kidding I thought the guages were the exact same "parts bin" as the Escort.
The Stang is all about building to a price point (IMO). Ford knows it can sell 300K Taurus' if they keep the price near $20K(ish). Ford knows it can sell 80K Mustangs if they keep the price rock bottom. That means useing the same platform for 25 years. That means selling mostly V6 auto boxes to HS girls.
Hey that's great. Good for Ford. Just dont expect me to say it's a great car.
You can make a fast NEON and guess what it's still a NEON. You can make a fast Mustang but it's still a Mustang.
Sorry I don't mean to bash your car, but it is what it is. I can name 40 cars (under $40K) I'd buy before I'd touch a Mustang.
OMG I was trying to be nice because I didn't want to laugh at his car.
It was a V6 of course. It seats were vintage 1979 I think. The "head rests" (if you can call them that) came up to my shoulder.
The interior materials, fit and finish were exactly the same as my wife's 94 Escort. But the Escort had better seats (IMO). I'm not kidding I thought the guages were the exact same "parts bin" as the Escort.
The Stang is all about building to a price point (IMO). Ford knows it can sell 300K Taurus' if they keep the price near $20K(ish). Ford knows it can sell 80K Mustangs if they keep the price rock bottom. That means useing the same platform for 25 years. That means selling mostly V6 auto boxes to HS girls.
Hey that's great. Good for Ford. Just dont expect me to say it's a great car.
You can make a fast NEON and guess what it's still a NEON. You can make a fast Mustang but it's still a Mustang.
Sorry I don't mean to bash your car, but it is what it is. I can name 40 cars (under $40K) I'd buy before I'd touch a Mustang.
#20
Yes sadley the interiors on those cars kill it for me. Door panels shouldn't squeek that much when you open them. My friends has a 1995 cobra (last for the 5.0) that car felt like it was floating. The suspensions wasn't that of a "sports car" or even a "sporty car"