why doesn't the comptech S2000
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Originally Posted by turbo_pwr,Jan 27 2006, 03:19 PM
I've been thinking about this some more and I think your original assessment is wrong. You stated that Comptech isn't emulated as much in the S2000 crowd. Think of how many Comptech SC are running around. How many Amuse exhausts are running around. No one really emulates the entire tuner car. It would cost to much, even if you went with all Comptech parts you are looking at a pretty chunk of change.
i still think the JDM cars are "idolized" more. it is probably true that the sc'd cars indicate that the comptech powerplant is emulated more. This could very well be a function of the simplicity and reliability of the comptech powerplants and the fact that Comptech USA is a very accessible manufacturer. i think that the comptech unit is very cost effective and easy to acquire. there is also a lot of data from other users regarding the system.
thanks for your thoughts.
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Originally Posted by Highrpmek,Jan 27 2006, 03:35 PM
Umm, the majority of the Comptech catalog is based on building a Supercharged street car with broad appeal. I think for my driving skills an extra 100whp is a bit much. But I do want to make the car faster. But I like a different kind of fast. An all around fast. 2-3 people have made stupid remarks about the Comptech car being faster or should be faster because it has an extra 100whp. If you said this or feel this, you're an idiot. I'd take a 220-250whp car that weighs 2100-2500lbs (like an Amuse, ASM, or J's Racing car) over a 300whp car weighing in at 2900lbs.
Don't get me wrong, I hate the JDM poser Race part wearing show cars almost as much as I hate HP hungry ricer fanboi's.
Proof?
Comptech dual SS exhaust vs. Amuse R1000 or J's 70RR
Comptech headers gains vs. the J's Racing's headers gains
Functional aerodynamic benefit of the Comptech side skirts vs. full J's racing body kit
Comptech Coil/Sleeve Coilover kit vs. ASM Sachs suspension kit
Don't get me wrong, I hate the JDM poser Race part wearing show cars almost as much as I hate HP hungry ricer fanboi's.
Proof?
Comptech dual SS exhaust vs. Amuse R1000 or J's 70RR
Comptech headers gains vs. the J's Racing's headers gains
Functional aerodynamic benefit of the Comptech side skirts vs. full J's racing body kit
Comptech Coil/Sleeve Coilover kit vs. ASM Sachs suspension kit
i don't know if i'd want my s to be just like the lightweight lotus. i am a complete believer in hp/weight ratios and that light is best, but to me the appeal of the S is in its capability to be quick, and well appointed, and well mannered.
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Maybe they are idolized more because they are actually raced more? ASM, AMUSE, J's, Cwest they run Tsukuba time attacks all the time in their race S2000. They also have Best Motoring running their cars in races (Touge and Track). When does Comptech actual race the s2000? I don't think ever except for the few times that they give the keys to a magazine to test out.
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Originally Posted by turbo_pwr,Jan 27 2006, 09:20 PM
Maybe they are idolized more because they are actually raced more? ASM, AMUSE, J's, Cwest they run Tsukuba time attacks all the time in their race S2000. They also have Best Motoring running their cars in races (Touge and Track). When does Comptech actual race the s2000? I don't think ever except for the few times that they give the keys to a magazine to test out.
Dan That's another fact, for all we know, the JDM parts are track proven and reliable. And I've talked to a few different members with a SC'd S2000 about Track performance, it definetly takes a well mannered right foot to drive the car at it's limit. I think the Comptech SC is a great package and deal. I just don't think it's for me or what I want to get out of the car. If some day I did want more power I'd pick the SC over any Turbo setup, but in reality, If I really wanted more power out I'd buy a C6.
C6 Z06
Cliff notes, I want to build the driver (myself) more than make a power house car. I think the JDM race parts give me the extra ummph my modding side desires without changing the feel of the car too much.
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I'd love to have a 2100lb S2000 with stock hp, but I'd much rather have a 2155lb S2000 with 340whp. Give a race car driver the keys to the two cars on any track that's not some tight ass autocross course and guess which one they'll be faster in. In Japan, where you'll actually see more than a single abberant S2000 racing in production car based racing series, there are rules prohibiting FI on NA cars. Same with SCCA & NASA.
But getting down to that J's or Amuse kind of weight is a lot more difficult and a lot more expensive than bolting on a supercharger is....I know, because I've stripped my car (1 seat, no interior, airbags gone, no a/c, no radio, cruise, etc.) and (w/rollbar) it still weighs in in the high 25xxlb range.
And just for kicks if you want to see what a SC'd S2000 can do on the track, check out the Buttonwillow and Thunderhill videos on the link below. I built my car the non JDM way, but it's fast as all hell.
But getting down to that J's or Amuse kind of weight is a lot more difficult and a lot more expensive than bolting on a supercharger is....I know, because I've stripped my car (1 seat, no interior, airbags gone, no a/c, no radio, cruise, etc.) and (w/rollbar) it still weighs in in the high 25xxlb range.
And just for kicks if you want to see what a SC'd S2000 can do on the track, check out the Buttonwillow and Thunderhill videos on the link below. I built my car the non JDM way, but it's fast as all hell.
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Originally Posted by kent-k,Jan 27 2006, 03:54 PM
oshp515 Posted on Jan 26 2006, 07:05 PM
the J's or amuse cars will destroy a comptech car on the circuit....it has already been proven
trivium Posted on Jan 26 2006, 08:34 PM
The comptech S never competed against any JDM S's.
Can anyone clarify these aparently conflicting statements?
the J's or amuse cars will destroy a comptech car on the circuit....it has already been proven
trivium Posted on Jan 26 2006, 08:34 PM
The comptech S never competed against any JDM S's.
Can anyone clarify these aparently conflicting statements?
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IMHO, It's all about the racing. In Japan, if a tuner isn't extremely active in the circuit they don't get much credibility, and the import market and media is predominatly geared toward Asian clients. I bet if Comptech all of a sudden decided drifting and the Touge were what it was targeting, then they'd be all over the magazines and import TV shows. Comptech seems to sell from an American point of view, MORE HORSEPOWER = BETTER. Where as we see a ton of a great power products from Japan from HKS, Blitz, Greddy, etc, they spend just as much focus on suspension and handling where as here it's all about the numbers. Just an opinion. 
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You're right, Comptech has no idea how to setup a car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpB5nDvwZMk
Was that Tsuchiya and Orido who just said the LOVED the car's handling/power?
You're right, Comptech gets no respect in Japan because they don't invest enough money racing their cars. Racing is a proper way to market your products and work on R&D but it's expensive as hell. I don't blame Comptech for their approach. It's worked for them and I bet their margins are better than J's or Amuse's...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpB5nDvwZMk
Was that Tsuchiya and Orido who just said the LOVED the car's handling/power?
You're right, Comptech gets no respect in Japan because they don't invest enough money racing their cars. Racing is a proper way to market your products and work on R&D but it's expensive as hell. I don't blame Comptech for their approach. It's worked for them and I bet their margins are better than J's or Amuse's...